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To ask her to go back to sitting in the back of the car?

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Reesewitherknife · 02/11/2020 11:42

For the last two years I have been a driver for a disabled lady. I drive her to a day centre which is an hours drive away and collect her at the end of the day which is another hours drive back. She has physical difficulties but no learning difficulties or mental health issues.
Before lockdown/Covid everything was good. She would sit in the front passenger seat next to me, no issues.
However, when we resumed after lockdown (in July) we both agreed to wear masks and went with the government guidelines which was that she would sit in the back of the car, we would both wear face masks and I would drive with the windows open to reduce any infection risk as much as possible. I was and am still very keen to do this as I look after my elderly mum who has Alzheimer’s and a chronic blood cancer which obviously puts her in the vulnerable category.
All seemed ok for a while, we would chat on our journey as before.
However, over the last couple of weeks it had become apparent that she has been very unhappy with me and I couldn’t work out why. She would regularly ignore me where’s previous we had a good relationship. She wouldn’t answer me when I ask her what’s wrong or would snap that she was ok. I tried talking about things as I usually would and ask questions etc but we would often drive in silence which I find very stressful and uncomfortable. She was like a stroppy teen for reasons I couldn’t get to the bottom off. I started worrying she was unwell or unhappy in her life.
Anyhow, a couple of weeks ago I found out the reason for her behaviour. I noticed on her Facebook timeline she had written ‘I STILL have to sit in the back of MY own car whilst my PA drives me’ cue angry face emoji. That afternoon when I picked her up she got in the back of the car and shouted ‘Great another FUCKING journey in the back of this car’. I said that I was sorry she was unhappy but we had agreed to go with the government guidelines and I wanted to ensure we were both protected as much as possible. She then said that she had found out her disabled friend didn’t have to sit in the back of his car with his PA or wear a mask and she didn’t see why she should, I said well that’s their decision but it’s going against the guidelines and I’m trying to adhere to them especially as we are in a tier 2 area. She didn’t talk to me on the journey home that day!
I’ve ignored the fact she swore at me but am quite upset about that as I have always treated her with kindness and respect and would hope for the same.
I stressed all weekend over that as I hate the uncomfortable atmosphere so text her and said that if she really wanted to sit in the front that much then that was up to her as it’s her car. She sent back a smiling thank you emoji!
So last week she sat in the front. She was as happy as Larry and chatty as fuck, like a kid who had gotten her own way!
However now with the new lockdown rules coming into place I’m thinking I jumped the gun a bit. I just didn’t want the uncomfortable silence. Maybe I should have been firmer?
At the moment I need this job as I don’t yet get carers allowance for looking a after my mum.
Should I just suck it up, allow her in the front and hope for the best? I don’t know what to do. Maybe Covid is stressing me out so much that I making too much of this and her sitting in the front isn’t much different from her in the back?

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PrincessForADay · 03/11/2020 00:15

Stay firm when you speak tomorrow. You are both adults requiring mutual respect, you are correct to want to be safe at work & have fine nothing wrong

Stompythedinosaur · 03/11/2020 00:30

You absolutely need a meeting outside of planned activities to discuss your concerns.

You are well within your rights to as not to be subject to verbal abuse at work, and I think you should be clear about how unacceptable this is.

There is a risk assessment in place to keep you both safe and you wouldn't be doing your job properly if you didn't stick to it. It isnt optional. If she won't sit in the back then you don't drive her.

I would be looking for other jobs, though.

alexdgr8 · 03/11/2020 00:30

can you not contact the local social services dept and offer yourself as a support worker for another client.
also local care agencies.
you don't have to put up with this, and all the angst it is causing you.
workers like you are always much in demand.
good luck.

Stompythedinosaur · 03/11/2020 00:31

I also think that seeking support from the relevant social care team is a good idea.

Reesewitherknife · 03/11/2020 07:47

Thanks everyone. I am going in earlier today and will talk to her, let her know of my concerns for us both and hope she will take it onboard. If not I will contact my local social services to see if they can help.

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TitianaTitsling · 03/11/2020 08:32

Good luck today Reese!

Stompythedinosaur · 03/11/2020 08:51

That's a good plan, I hope it goes well.

MrsSpringfield · 03/11/2020 08:55

Hope it goes well today.

You are right to be concerned for your own health and safely and that of your family as priority. Keep an eye out for other jobs too.

2Zebras · 03/11/2020 10:17

OP, please contact your local doctor and authority adult social care department

Please excuse the typo; I meant local authority/Council who oversee the direct payment scheme, not your local doctor, sorry.

Reesewitherknife · 03/11/2020 11:58

So I had a chat with her this morning and voiced my concerns. Explained that I would feel happier with her in the back of the vehicle and that I am as much of a potential threat to her health as well as her to mine, especially as I have children at secondary school which has had some cases. However, she has still decided that she wants to sit in the front, she has pulled the seat as far back as possible, she has also wound down the back seat so she is virtually horizontal! I have told her that isn’t necessary and that she looks rather uncomfortable but she insists. So it appears that she would rather travel in this awkward position than in the back seat. I can see that I am going to get nowhere with her view on this so will stick to the job until I can find something else.
She has acted like a petulant child to get her own way without any consideration for her employee and now she has she is all happy and chatty and seems to have completely dismissed how she had been with me because she basically has stamped her feet, had a tantrum and I’ve given in to her, bigger fool me!

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CheetasOnFajitas · 03/11/2020 12:10

Well you have to nip “chatty” in the bud as it is increasing the transmission risk. Tell her she can sit in the front but she needs to STFU.

IrmaFayLear · 03/11/2020 12:10

I see this type of job advertised all the time. I would speak to a recruiter and offer your services to a more reasonable client.

ZoeTurtle · 03/11/2020 12:13

I hope you find something else soon. Sadly, disabled people can be twats as well (I should know - I'm one of them)

3Zebras · 03/11/2020 12:35

I had to get another zebra to help out here 🦓🦓🦓!!

You sound dedicated to your work so it is a huge shame she's reverted to tantrums to get her own way; I really feel for you.

The direct payment scheme was set up to enable disabled people to have autonomy over their care, who cares for them and to make sure that they get support that is considered right for them because one size definitely does not fit all. New paragraph I wish you lived near me I'm looking for a new pa and they like gold dust at the moment and not sure why. I hope you find someone more suitable to work with; you don't need to put up with this. She is treating you very badly and I wouldrecommend let social services know about this. There are rules she needs to follow. New paragraph she should have employers insurance; it is a legal requirement for direct payment recipients and she can get excellent advice in times llike this.

You could also come on walk with me. I'm looking for a new eggs and p a!

Good luck sounds like you need it!

3Zebras · 03/11/2020 12:37

I'm looking for a new eggs and p a!

And I felt predictive text was bad. Speech to text is even worse! That should say I am looking for or a NEW EXCELLENT PA!!

SBTLove · 03/11/2020 12:43

In my area all the cabs have plastic screens up now and nobody is allowed to sit in front at all, explain to her that you work with other vulnerable ppl and therefore need her to follow guidelines.
Is it your car?

SBTLove · 03/11/2020 12:44

Read your last update, it’s unsafe to drive with her reclined as her seatbelt would be ineffective in an accident.
What age is this woman?

BlankTimes · 03/11/2020 12:48

she has pulled the seat as far back as possible, she has also wound down the back seat so she is virtually horizontal
How would a seatbelt secure her in case of an accident, or you just having to stop sharply?

Sadly it's not illegal to do so, but there should be warning against travelling in a car like that in the vehicle's manual.

Legally, she would be responsible for herself if there was an accident and she was injured because of the seatbelt not keeping her in the seat.

This is a US article, but I'm sure enough googling could turn up several UK ones. slate.com/human-interest/2007/09/the-dangers-of-reclining-your-car-seat.html

GabsAlot · 03/11/2020 12:51

thats not legal i saw a police show once where they fined someone for doing that its not safe

and then she'll blame you if shes hurt

Reesewitherknife · 03/11/2020 12:52

Thanks all.
3Zebras Hope you managed to find a PA soon. As my mum has Alzheimer’s I’ve applied for Attendance Allowance for her and hopefully if she gets it I can apply fo Carers Allowance and help dad to look after her, that’s my aim for the future. I’m happy to come for a walk with you if you live in Essex, you come out with me and my lovely little dog!
SBTLove it’s her car.

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Reesewitherknife · 03/11/2020 12:54

SBTLove BlankTimes yes I did explain that to her. I need to make her sit upright on the journey back today. She is 35.

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SBTLove · 03/11/2020 12:57

@Reesewitherknife
I think maybe it’s time to sit down with her and possibly her mum and maybe she will take heed of her mum backs you up, it’s not about taking anything away from her but you need some support.
She so very unreasonable and endangering you with her selfish behaviour.
No other mode of transport with an employed driver allows you to sit beside them, it’s a screen up and in the back, if no screen masks on.

Casschops · 03/11/2020 13:06

Although the money is provided by the local authority the employer is the Disabled Person. Social Services will not get involved as they are not the employer and this is an employment issue.
I would advisebthat you join a PA agency such as Kaleidoscope who support people with disabilities with the recruitment aspects of PAs they also match peole with appropriate support. Id tou are not happy OP you don't have to stay Smile

RedRec · 03/11/2020 13:20

Hi OP, You sound like a good and conscientious PA / carer. You would probably be snapped up by a good care company/ agency. You do not deserve to be treated like this. I feel appalled on your behalf. All the best x

Livingtothefull · 03/11/2020 13:59

There are no excuses for behaviour like this. Being disabled is no excuse.. I speak as the parent of a DC with severe mental and physical disabilities, I don't tolerate rudeness to his carers from him.

I agree that you should look for another caring role, she will have a hard job finding a new carer who will accept her tantrums and demands. Her loss.

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