That's a first. Accused of transphobia. WIBU? Screenshots.

[DelvingintoInsanity]

A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

@Perfect28

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

What's funny is you seem to have literally no counter argument to the detailed, informative and factual replies people are giving you which state very clearly why this is a problem for women and what rights we are being expected to give up, other than a few daft emojis.

I don't actually think you know why you're standing up for it yourself. Probably just another of those who think they should because it's 'in', without really understanding (or caring to).

I think common sense has gone out of the window

I agree PatriciaPerch
As a PP said upthread, it's time we all put our foot down about this whole business.

@PatriciaPerch

so I would be considered transphobic if I insisted someone who was obviously male but identified as a transfemale tend to my daughter personal area? even though she has a SLD and no capacity? because she wouldn't be able to make that decision herself. So as the council are adopting these 'ideals' are they going to start telling her social worker and care provider they can't stop MTF transpeople doing 1:1 with her? I don't mean to make it sound so provocative but it bloody well is, isn't it? :( like having a man called tracey who has been previously convicted of rape when he was dave being put in your locked cell room, when you are 5ft 1 and have been sexually abused in the past I think common sense has gone out of the window

That’s it. You are a transphobe and a TERF.

I know, right.

Like a previous poster has said, I am glad that this is in Aibu, as hopefully it's reaching a wider audience than the feminism board. Not one person who has suggested the op is transphobic has given the slightest evidence as to why - meanwhile page after page of women are understanding how their rights are being threatened.

@Perfect28

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

So many others have quoted this response.

Yes women ARE being stripped of their rights.

I DO NOT want a person who was not born as a female in single sex spaces, such a ladies toilets/changing rooms.

I DO NOT want a person who was not born as a female giving me a mammogram/examining me internally without my express consent. Many healthcare trusts seem to think that we now do not have the right to demand this. We bloody well should.

There are many biological women who have experience abuse/rape at the hands biological men and do NOT want their safety and safe spaces becoming threatened.

The terminology that has changed m/being changed is highly offensive.

The fact that biological women are now being called menstruators to appease some transwomen is insane.

Women have periods. Transwomen do not.

'People' do not give birth. Women do.
Transwomen do not.
Transmembrane can as they were born as biological females.

This madness needs to stop and sanity needs to prevail.

I very strongly feel that if someone is born into the wrong body then they should have the right to get that altered so that they can live in a way that makes them happier. But this should not be at the cost of the rights of biological women that have been very very hard-earned. It's yet again another form of suppression.

Transmen. Not Transmembrane!

This discussion reminded me of this: www.jacksonkatz.com/news/man-behind-viral-quote/

Thankfully there aren't too many younger feminists who believe as you do so this view will soon perish

Most women don't identify as feminist. They never have done.

Even fewer will in future, if feminists don't know what a woman is.

Classic, you're young and naive. I love it. Often said by old tories 😉

Whose is you (you're).

Do you think I was referring to yourself?

I was referring to the legions of young feminists you claim will supplant the "old" prejudiced (🙄) feminists on here.

As I said befire, they won't - because people develop and change their views as they mature.

As for you, I don't know if you're young and naive ... All I know is you seem arrogant, smug, trite, provocative, ignorant, disrespectful and simple minded (or narrow minded - which you no doubt think others are).

Oh, and ageist.

And rather obvious in your attempts to kind of smear people who don't agree with you .. 'Old Tory".

The Tories aren't even a party where I come from. Try another insult.

*Who is you?

CaraDuneRedux please write that book, I would love to read it!

OP I have read some questionable comments on social media, for instance, 'science has proved biological sex doesn't exist', you just have to scroll on, scientific facts mean nothing to them.

I like to think of myself as a young feminist.

@tiffeycegin I'm very tempted

Oh for a life with infinite time at my disposal.

I just noticed that another thread on this topic was taken down overnight.... does anyone know why? Can we have it back up MN . More women seem to be waking up and cancelling our voices is not a great look

@Langrycleg

I just noticed that another thread on this topic was taken down overnight.... does anyone know why? Can we have it back up MN . More women seem to be waking up and cancelling our voices is not a great look

The deletion message said there was name calling or personal attacks, I forget which.

If we could all just be NICE whilst our rights are dismantled that’d be better.

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

The woman bringing a case to the Royal Courts of Justice yesterday, would beg to differ.

I imagine she had every expectation that she had a legal right to not be sexually assaulted by a male rapist when she was incarcerated in a female prison and couldn't escape.

You agreeing that she has no such right is not something that most people would find funny, tbh.

What is funny, is that you think it's a feminist point of view.

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy.

You might need to have a word with Stonewall then... This is from their website.

@KnightsofColumbusThatHurt

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy.

You might need to have a word with Stonewall then... This is from their website.

Indeed. All their rights based on the protected characteristic of sex.

Which dovetails quite nicely with the fact that they also think that sexual orientation isn't based on sex. And that homosexuality isn't same-sex attraction.

'Hilarious', though.

@KnightsofColumbusThatHurt

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception,

Why do people keep insisting on saying this, when it has been hashed out over and over how this whole issue affects women's rights?

Rights for women to single sex spaces - whether that be in a refuge, a prison, any. place where they will be in a vulnerable state
Rights for women to play sport fairly.
Rights for women to be able to ask for a female HCP for an intimate procedure and be sure that they are actually going to get a female.
Rights for women to get fair representation without a 'self identifying woman' taking up that representation.
Rights for women to be able to name and define themselves as a distinct class.

I could go on here but I'm probably wasting my time anyway aren't I? All of those things are under threat at the moment. Maybe you aren't bothered about those things being taken away, but you don't get to take them away from other women.

Why do people keep insisting on saying this, when it has been hashed out over and over how this whole issue affects women's rights?

Quite. I find it really odd to desperately cling to an argument thats been disproved many many times before. Its similar to 'this never happens'. Despite a lot of evidence that it does happen, still its constantly 'no, it doesn't'

As for younger people being fine with denying biology, DSS is 17 and at college and he says most of his mates see the whole thing as a bit of a joke. Not the geuine people with sex dysphoria, as its a real condition obviously. But all the pronoun shite, and women have penises, etc. Most people, whatever the age, if they think even just for a minute about the topic/logical end game, can see the huge issues.

I would also (tentatively) describe myself as a 'young feminist'. Early 30s anyway. Though maybe I am too old to meet the threshold.

Just caught up. No OP you were not transphobic to say what you did. Of course not.

I see no one claiming you were has explained their thinking. And I see Perfect is doing a great job educating readers on just how little evidence and fact is too often behind those arguing that trans rights have not conflict with women’s rights, and that women who are not directly impacted on a particular conflict should just shut the fuck up because it has nothing to do with them and that a woman with 47 years is considered not qualified to discuss how the loss of clarity around women’s rights impacts her.

Brilliantly done. They have stated they ‘know’ the issues but they clearly they don’t. Or they would have cognisant discussion points to counter women outlining where they see these conflicts.

My 12 year old daughter told me that her bff is convinced that you can ACTUALLY changed sex. When she started talking to her bff and a couple of other girls, about the biological reality of sex and how, even if you have cosmetic surgery to give your body the approximation off the sex you'd prefer to be, your actual biological sex remain unchanged, she's was rounded on and called transphobic. She is not transphobic.

Ironically, she chooses to wear her hair in a short crop and likes gender neutral clothes and is constantly teased (by boys funnily enough) that she must be a boy because she has short hair. So much ridiculous bollocks being spouted.

It's nuts.

They're 12 ffs. This ideology is dangerous.

Reminds me of when I was studying psychology and learned about the old ‘put a dog mask on a cat and does the dog turn into a cat’ test your did on small children to learn about how they understood permanency (or summit). Small children get it right (mostly). I tried it on my 3 year old niece who looked at me like I was crazy and said ‘it’s still a dog... silly’... it’s a dog...’. Do we now have a generation of kids who don’t believe that the fridge light goes off when the door closes?

@CandyLeBonBon

My 12 year old daughter told me that her bff is convinced that you can ACTUALLY changed sex. When she started talking to her bff and a couple of other girls, about the biological reality of sex and how, even if you have cosmetic surgery to give your body the approximation off the sex you'd prefer to be, your actual biological sex remain unchanged, she's was rounded on and called transphobic. She is not transphobic.

Ironically, she chooses to wear her hair in a short crop and likes gender neutral clothes and is constantly teased (by boys funnily enough) that she must be a boy because she has short hair. So much ridiculous bollocks being spouted.

It's nuts.

They're 12 ffs. This ideology is dangerous.

It's worrying that they even know the word transphobic. A ridiculous word in itself, no one is 'scared' or has a 'phobia'. I think 'phobic' should be replaced by 'anti' . Your daughter sounds like a strong young lady, not afraid of expressing herself, you must be very proud of her x

@FairFridaythe13th

Reminds me of when I was studying psychology and learned about the old ‘put a dog mask on a cat and does the dog turn into a cat’ test your did on small children to learn about how they understood permanency (or summit). Small children get it right (mostly). I tried it on my 3 year old niece who looked at me like I was crazy and said ‘it’s still a dog... silly’... it’s a dog...’. Do we now have a generation of kids who don’t believe that the fridge light goes off when the door closes?

Wait...WHAT?? The fridge light goes OFF???????

(Kidding!)