That's a first. Accused of transphobia. WIBU? Screenshots.

[DelvingintoInsanity]

A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

internalised homophobia, undiagnosed autism, eating disorders

One of my closest friends who identifies as trans would tick all those boxes. Maybe not so much internalised homophobia, but having had a sequence of partners who seem to suffer either from internalised homophobia (one who explicitly said it would be easier to have a trans partner than a girlfriend) or confusion over their sexuality. My friend also suffers from genuine body dysphoria, always has done as far as I can tell (and it is a source of enormous pain and confusion and mental anguish - the real deal is an awful burden to bear).

@Perfect28

She's not talking about 47 years in a profession though, she's talking about being 47 years old. You guys are honestly cracking me up.

Glad you find it so fucking hilarious to suggest a 47 year old woman is not qualified to comment with authority on being a woman. Do you also believe that black people are not experts at being black?

Anyone who brings intersex people into their trans arguments need to be directed towards intersex groups and charities. From my experience, most intersex people are not at all impressed being brought into TRAs arguments using their bizarre idea of what biology is

I was just thinking this. Seems trans people use intersex as a way to justify whatever their wishes, when intersex is a specific medical condition.. we don't hear enough from intersex people.

How did this ever come up in a writing group? Have you met each other IRL? I'd find myself another.

when intersex is a specific medical condition

Or rather a group of varied medical conditions that are sometimes grouped together, none of which negate the impact of sex.

How did this ever come up in a writing group?

In the context of another writer posting a sci fi piece in which men got pregnant. The bloke who kicked this off said something along the lines of "well it's not really sci fi, is it, seeing as how some men can get pregnant."

In the context of another writer posting a sci fi piece in which men got pregnant. The bloke who kicked this off said something along the lines of "well it's not really sci fi, is it, seeing as how some men can get pregnant."

Someone should have told that to Ursula Le Guin. Who now needs to be cancelled as a bigoted transphobe.

I was just thinking this. Seems trans people use intersex as a way to justify whatever their wishes, when intersex is a specific medical condition.. we don't hear enough from intersex people

People who use intersex to “prove” trans don’t appear to grasp the biology at all.

They seem to think that trans are undiagnosed DSD. Or a DSD that hasn’t been described yet. Hence the “science is catching up” type comments.

DSD is very, very different to trans ideology.

In today's edition of 'who cares, it doesn't affect me', here's a thread about a Judicial Review that is starting today brought forward by a woman who was raped (a crime that in England is committed by a male with a penis) by an inmate in a women's prison.

Oh come now. We've got Perfect here to tell us not to bother worrying about anything to do with this issue. Chill out. Vulnerable women in prison don't matter. You silly thing.

Neither do female teenagers who want to play sport and have a fair chance of showing what they can do (against other kids who are their sex)

Neither do women in hospitals who badly need sex-segregated wards when they're in a really vulnerable position.

I didn't matter, either, when, as someone who has experienced a long history of sexual assault, I went to stay in a youth hostel abroad and realised last minute that my only option of a shower each day was in a communal bathroom which had a locked main door but individual shower cubicles with no locks on them. It was open to anyone of the 'female gender' (strict signs too that the hostel would not tolerate any discrimination against trans women from other female guests). I mean, I had booked to stay in the only accommodation I could afford (in a very expensive city) and had rushed there to say goodbye to a dying loved one and so was already feeling fragile. Meh - what did that matter? I got up at 4am to shower to avoid having to come across any male bodies whilst I was naked, so never mind, right?

Oh and I have operations fairly regularly - I'll make sure to tell myself to quit panicking if I ever ask for a female doctor and a lovely 6 foot woman with an Adam's apple comes in to do an intimate examination, shall I? I mean, one of my sexual assaults involved a doctor so I'm that little bit extra terrified of doctors generally but it's all ok, because women commit sexual assaults too. Ok then.

Me and my stupid fears about women who might happen to have penises. Why on earth would anyone make a fuss about such a non-issue?

Me and my stupid fears about women who might happen to have penises. Why on earth would anyone make a fuss about such a non-issue?

Well remember we have to accept that anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, but they get to decide that any women who commits a crime isn't realy a woman so tht places the blame back over to predatory men and removes the threat of transwomen who retain male offending patterns.

Its simple

@Whatwouldscullydo

Me and my stupid fears about women who might happen to have penises. Why on earth would anyone make a fuss about such a non-issue?

Well remember we have to accept that anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, but they get to decide that any women who commits a crime isn't realy a woman so tht places the blame back over to predatory men and removes the threat of transwomen who retain male offending patterns.

Its simple

Yes, it's very simple. And here's the real beauty of it - not only is any woman who commits a crime not really a woman after all (although she was accepted as such right up to the moment of committing the crime), but (at one and the same time) no sexual predator would ever abuse the self-ID laws to get access to women and children because it's so easy for them to find victims in other ways.

And let's not forget that if any woman or child is assaulted, the perpetrator will be charged with a criminal offence, will be convicted and will go to prison. Which will make everything all right. Don't know why we've wasted time all these years trying to prevent crimes from happening.

Blah blah blah robust safeguarding procedures blah blah

Yes you’re transphobic hth

Can you define transphobia please?

Is believing in sex trabsphobic ?

Have you taken that up with drs?

@Charley1984

Yes you’re transphobic hth

No, it doesn't really help.

But as you seem keen to help us, can you explain what was transphobic?

Thanks! I really appreciate your help.

Because I'm sure you didn't just come here to plop and run. That wouldn't be very kind.

@Charley1984

Yes you’re transphobic hth

Already been done

Do you not have an original thought?

@Charley1984

Yes you’re transphobic hth

Another one 🙄. It would help (not that that's your actual agenda) if you could explain why? Again; not holding my breath.

@Charley1984, another plopper? At least have the decency to explain your view with some facts to back it up.

Are you 10, Charley?

Because an actual adult would stop to explain why.

I find it worse that some of these ploppers actually believe they are helping trans people.

@Charley1984

What a wonderful post. After reading it, I now am ashamed that I don't believe a person with a penis-a man-can be a woman and I'm sure a lot of other posters feel the same.

Away and buy yourself a biology book.

Oh look you're all still at it. False dichotomising and spinning yourselves into circles. God forbid that the world actually change. Thankfully there aren't too many younger feminists who believe as you do so this view will soon perish. Is that what you're really afraid of?

Charley's intervention just a couple of posts after a woman has explained about her past history of sexual assault by a doctor and her need to see a biologically female doctor as a result was spectacularly timed.

Well done Charley. Bet you thought that was a phenomenal mic drop. Instead you've just come across as a total cunt.

The world will go on being round, and people will go on knowing what biological sex means, like you do, and most other trans supporters do. They know exactly who they can talk down to, and who they really would be unwise to do so to.