That's a first. Accused of transphobia. WIBU? Screenshots.

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A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

How is accepting males into single sex spaces not giving up our rights to single sex spaces ?

@Perfect28

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

Women have sex based rights to single sex spaces, because for millennia, men have exploited and abused women and girls on the basis of biology. We NEED these spaces to keep us safe and it our right to have them. Once male bodied people are allowed in, we are being put at massive risk of further abuse and exploitation, as we have seen in many, many cases such as Karen White. We lose our rights to safe, single sex spaces which we need on account of our biology, biology no man has so they have NO NEED of our rights.

Your just void of any empathy aren't you.
Your ignorant and ill informed and the fact you've come on here just to goad women who have poured their hearts out and provided seriously worrying stats, shows what a %#^* you are (you can fill in the blank with whatever word you like)

Woked on... I shall be using this in
My vocabulary from now on 😂😂

@CaraDuneRedux

Charley's intervention just a couple of posts after a woman has explained about her past history of sexual assault by a doctor and her need to see a biologically female doctor as a result was spectacularly timed.

Well done Charley. Bet you thought that was a phenomenal mic drop. Instead you've just come across as a total cunt.

Lacks the warmth and depth to be a cunt. (Hope no one else has got in with this before me).

@Perfect28

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

This is factually incorrect. Nothing to do with how anyone's arguing, it's just untrue. Are you able to form an argument that doesn't rely on untruths or racially problematic views? It's quite conspicuous that you didn't answer questions about your views on "anyone should be able to identify as anything" in the context of racial appropriation.

@Perfect28

Classic, you're young and naive. I love it. Often said by old tories 😉

And by lots of other old people who remember how they thought when they were young and naive, and how much they turned out to be wrong about

We are laughing at you because we know just how much you have to learn, so every time you double down on your ignorance it just makes you funnier

What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view

You dont half exaggerate

@Perfect28

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

@perfect28, you must be choosing to not see what the issues are, no matter how many times it's explained to you.

It is now considered transphobic to refer to female anatomy (one of the key issues in women's rights) as female only biology. 'People' give birth, have periods, suffer from what were female illness.

Deying female biology is not only unscientific, it is downright dangerous for women at times. Women as a biology are being erased in favour of a 'feeling in a person's head'.

It is considered transphobic to exclude people from female spaces based on sex rather than gender. That means girls and women are losing the right to fair play in competition, losing the rights to female only work and study positions, losing the right to say 'no' to a male-bodied physician treating them, having to share female only spaces with male bodied people regardless of their feelings on the matter.

Lesbians are being called bigots for refusing to even consider dating transwomen. Sexuality is literally in the name, yet they are losing their rights to say 'I wont date a person with a penis', the most basic aspect of being a lesbian, for gender ideology.

We fought hard to have our biology and anatomy be recognised as our own, not as something that men or society can dictate to us what it is, what men can do with it at their own whims or how women are meant to behave. We have fought and fought for women to be seen equal as men, that we can do whatever they can, that there's no such fucking thing as a 'lady brain', that was just an idea perpetuated by men to keep us below them. People like yourself are completely undoing all that work in the name of letting men dictate what a woman is and how they behave, again.

@Perfect28

Classic, you're young and naive. I love it. Often said by old tories 😉

Oh, and I've always been a Labour Leftie, so again you are so wrong. Many gender critics are from my experience.

I am always amazes that some people seem to forget that their opinions and tastes change as they get older.

So the bestest friend in the whole world they had in primary one is a jerk by primary 5. The toy you wanted as a 10 year old was soooooo lame by the next summer. The outfit you loved so much your mum had to wash it when you were asleep - then you see an old photos and wonder what the hell you were thinking...

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception,

Why do people keep insisting on saying this, when it has been hashed out over and over how this whole issue affects women's rights?

Rights for women to single sex spaces - whether that be in a refuge, a prison, any. place where they will be in a vulnerable state
Rights for women to play sport fairly.
Rights for women to be able to ask for a female HCP for an intimate procedure and be sure that they are actually going to get a female.
Rights for women to get fair representation without a 'self identifying woman' taking up that representation.
Rights for women to be able to name and define themselves as a distinct class.

I could go on here but I'm probably wasting my time anyway aren't I? All of those things are under threat at the moment. Maybe you aren't bothered about those things being taken away, but you don't get to take them away from other women.

Not asking - demanding with menaces...

@purpleboy

Your just void of any empathy aren't you. Your ignorant and ill informed and the fact you've come on here just to goad women who have poured their hearts out and provided seriously worrying stats, shows what a %#^* you are (you can fill in the blank with whatever word you like)

They are doing it on AIBU though, where some people may not usually see first-hand the lack of evidence-based argument from TRAs, or the puerile bullshit that women are supposed to accept about how unreasonable they are to worry about all men being able to access their rape shelters, DV refuges, hospital wards, prisons, and how old and stupid they must be to know that their biology makes them vulnerable to discrimination and violence.

For anyone interested in finding out more about the conflict caused between women's and trans people's rights by the activities of Stonewall et al, I recommend this thread for starters: Break it down for me? www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

What does it mean to women's personal care too? atm it is protected by law that we can specify female only personal care, will that be disregarded too?

Some NHS trusts have said that asking for a female if an MTF trans person is available would be considered transphobic and illegal discrimination (it isn't per se, but may be legally challenged, so they are risk averse)

I am glad this discussion is happening on AIBU. I hope that the people who are usually very scathing about FWR are reading it and realising what biological women are up against.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

What does it mean to women's personal care too? atm it is protected by law that we can specify female only personal care, will that be disregarded too?

Some NHS trusts have said that asking for a female if an MTF trans person is available would be considered transphobic and illegal discrimination (it isn't per se, but may be legally challenged, so they are risk averse)

Abuse survivor wrote to her trust asking to ensure her care provider was female.

Branded transphobic obviously...

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patient-branded-transphobic-after-asking-for-female-medic-3jh3snddt

Not just care provider, the person conducting her bloody mammogram.

So women have no right to ensure the person touching their breasts (and I’ll assume performing other intimate procedures) is female.

@Perfect28

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

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But they are. Women are being asked to give up their right to single sex spaces, and also to single sex sports, to ask for a female health care provider. Quite directly and specifically.

In some cases they are being asked to give up the right to have accurate statistical data about the female sex collected, for the purposes of policy development and making assessments.

They are also being asked, through the language changes being proposed, to accept a very different way of interpreting laws and regulations that apply to women specifically.

And women, and men as well, are also being asked to give up the right to speak about their own believes and ideas in order to support the beliefs and ideas of others.

Those are all quite significant and in some cases they are material changes to women's rights.

Doesn't it strike you as a bt of a flag that women are being told they shouldn't even be allowed to talk about them?

Noone is asking or expecting women to give up their rights, that's just the perception, and exactly what I mean by false dichotomy. 😁 What I find funny is how outraged you all are that someone has an opposing view.

Your comments would carry more weight if there were evidence that you knew more about this subject. If you are generally interested and aren't just trolling, you could start by looking at Stonewall's 2015 submission on reforms to the GRA.

Yes @PatriciaPerch you’ll be labelled a transphobe.

I think common sense has gone out of the window

Yes it has. We'll all have to sit around and wait for all the crimes to be committed against us and other women before anything will be done.