That's a first. Accused of transphobia. WIBU? Screenshots.

[DelvingintoInsanity]

A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

Damn, typo. You didn't just mention expertise, also experience.

Being 47 does not qualify you as an expert hmm sorry!

Its a pretty good qualification for understanding the sex based protections and services that women need, and how those would be threatened if sex cannot be clearly described in legislation and policy.

When people DON'T understand this I tend to assume that they lack sufficient life experience, because that is more charitable than the alternatives.

Being 47 does not qualify you as an expert hmm sorry!

Its all a bit familiar...

It never happens

Heres the proof that it does

But look at the source I dont take X seriously

Heres some more

That journo is a joke shes a biggot you cant believe her

Ok have a look here

Thats a hate site I'm.not going there

Ok how about this

Shes only 20/30/47 what can she know...

On.and on and on...

It takes a special kind of misogynist to tell a female person she isn't qualified to talk about being a woman. It amazing how they don't see how sexist they are. Truly amazing.

Please do tell me what I'm qualified to talk about? Having babies? Dusting?

Interestingly do you also chastise men who believe they're women for talking about how womanly they feel wearing a dress occasionally, a la Pip Bunce? I suspect not.

And no, by engage I don't mean agree I mean consider people's concerns, try and see their perspective when it comes to the legal right to dignity, safety and boundaries. Excessive use of laughing emojis don't quite convey the empathy you perhaps think.

Ahh shall correct myself as of course despite having had a miscarriage and then a baby a few years later I'm still not allowed to talk about those experiences as it's triggering and excluding for biological males who can't do this.

Being 47 doesn't qualify someone as being an expert in being female, but males who 'identify as' some narrow stereotypes are more qualified in knowing what it means to be a woman?

Aye, alright then.

Emperor's new clothes is right.

Please do tell me what I'm qualified to talk about? Having babies? Dusting?

Its posie Parker being told she's appropriating the word woman all over again...

got booted out of a group for saying I understood why many women were concerned about transpeople in sport. Absolute pile on followed by being unfriended by someone for being a 'terf bigot'. Fair dos.

They're terrified of guilt by association. They know what you are saying is basically right, deep down, and that they can't defend their position logically. So they take it out on you, as the messenger who might force them into a position where they will be a social pariah. That's why they are so disproportionately angry.

OP, you are not being transphobic, and the chap who objected is a pillock.

I co-wrote an mpreg once. We'd seen so many utterly atrocious mpregs that belied a total ignorance of basic biology, and my co-author (a biologist) was convinced that it was possible to write a decent one that didn't make her want to pull her hair out.

Several of the characters spent most of the fic trying to work out how the hell this could happen and what was going on biologically; neither the pregnant male not his sexual partner had had any idea pregnancy was possible; the bulk of the story was people trying to cope with the impossible.

If the pregnant character had been a biologically female man there would have been no story!

She's not talking about 47 years in a profession though, she's talking about being 47 years old. You guys are honestly cracking me up.

@Whatwouldscullydo

Please do tell me what I'm qualified to talk about? Having babies? Dusting?

Its posie Parker being told she's appropriating the word woman all over again...

I think it's the law that when someone mentions this, the link to the video must be posted. Something like that.

perfect

A 1 year old female baby still knows more about being female than anyone born male

@Perfect28

Being 47 does not qualify you as an expert sorry!

Just for the avoidance of doubt, do you think someone who has been trans for 47 years is qualified to hold strong opinions on issues that impact trans people? If yes, why is it different for me?

@Perfect28

She's not talking about 47 years in a profession though, she's talking about being 47 years old. You guys are honestly cracking me up.

she ?

So how long exactly being a biological woman, do I have to wait until I can talk about my experience of being in this body and societies reactions/treatments of me?

I'm not particularly girlie so should I add a few years on so I can practice being super womanly before entering the conversation?

And once again, how many biological males who identify as women have you corrected for talking about Woman-ing before the agreed age?

Dick excellent video thanks, a great example of Having Ones Arse Handed to One On A Plate. Superficial note, I bloody love Posies hair.

So how long exactly being a biological woman, do I have to wait until I can talk about my experience of being in this body and societies reactions/treatments of me?
I'm not particularly girlie so should I add a few years on so I can practice being super womanly before entering the conversation?

It would be nice to know these things. Just so we know where we all stand.

😂😂😂

[quote Hickorydickoryspock]@MrsKoala whaaaat?! Thats awful.
I am trans and your husband sounds misogynistic to be honest with you. Even if he didn't agree with your article he could have calmly discussed it with you. His reaction is pretty dosgusting. I feel like women have a very valid fear of male violence which is being eclipsed here... people are trying to pretend cis women are some kind of supremacist group when they are actually an opressed and understandably afraid group.[/quote]
Less of the cis women please

Absolutely nothing of substance to bring to the table. Why am I not surprised?

"Anyone with a womb is not decidedly female" - good God.
You are much better off without this group in your life.

It's tiresome isn't it?

Having been pregnant and had a baby? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

PCOS sufferer? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

Had to fight an equal pay claim? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

Years of playing competitive women's sport? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

Decades of post doctoral experience as a research scientist involving getting to grips with and using on a daily basis the sort of statistical techniques that enable you to assess whether a research paper has statistically robust results? Nope, wrong sort of expertise.

Preparedness to be kind to gender non-conforming men, even when they want the right to place convicted male rapists in women's prisons and allow 6'4" be-penised players into the front row of a scrum in women's rugby.

Ah, now you're getting on message. Beeeee kind, even to your own detriment. That's the sort of womaning we were looking for.

@Perfect28

By engage do you mean agree? 😂 Look, it's simple. I'm not trans, nobody close to me is trans, and I'm not an expert. I assume the same is true for most if not all of you? Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about. 🙂

@Perfect28

Unlike you, I've known a few trans people, some very closely. All of them had MH issues, I'd put a good bet on that a couple had other issues (internalised homophobia, undiagnosed autism, eating disorders). The biggest issues in medicine is the awful treatment and research into mental health and cognitive disorders. It is far easier to treat a person who thinks their issues are physical, but it does not and never will cure the MH issues. Its like putting a plaster over a bullet hole.

I've read many stories from people online (there's a couple of very active and genuinely informative people on Twitter) who have gender dysphoria and either live as their opposite gender or have de-transitioned. Most people with genuine GD actually know their biological sex cannot be changed, that a piece of paper stating the opposite gender doesn't mean they are now a different sex. Some heartbreaking tales of how transition has left them both physically and mentally worse off. It's 'trans allies' that are causing both women and those with GD a huge amount of issues, with their uneducated, ill informed views and need to create a Woke Utopia.

The other part of this that brings on such 'strong opinions' is the fact that gender stereotypes on young children are having a hugely negative effect. It is not ok that children are being brainwashed into 'pink and blue brains' leading to be medicated before they're adults. It's has been shown that parents have a big influence on this, have you seen the Tavistock report? Again, more internalised homopbia and denial that their child may be autistic.

Regardless, being born female means having the utmost right to talk about female matters, and why biology is more important than gender. Or do you also tell black people that they're not qualified to talk about black issues, and that those who identify as black when they're not have more insight into the cultural and sociological difficulties they face?

@CaraDuneRedux

It's tiresome isn't it?

Having been pregnant and had a baby? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

PCOS sufferer? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

Had to fight an equal pay claim? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

Years of playing competitive women's sport? Nope, wrong sort of experience of womaning.

Decades of post doctoral experience as a research scientist involving getting to grips with and using on a daily basis the sort of statistical techniques that enable you to assess whether a research paper has statistically robust results? Nope, wrong sort of expertise.

Preparedness to be kind to gender non-conforming men, even when they want the right to place convicted male rapists in women's prisons and allow 6'4" be-penised players into the front row of a scrum in women's rugby.

Ah, now you're getting on message. Beeeee kind, even to your own detriment. That's the sort of womaning we were looking for.

Unfortunately I think you've summarised it to a tee. No pun intended

In today's edition of 'who cares, it doesn't affect me', here's a thread about a Judicial Review that is starting today brought forward by a woman who was raped (a crime that in England is committed by a male with a penis) by an inmate in a women's prison.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4061498-Starting-on-28-October-Judicial-Review-of-prison-guidelines-on-transgender-and-launch-of-new-web-site-Keep-Prisons-Single-Sex

Luckily, Perfect has explained that it's no big deal and it seems like it's something that we can just laugh at.