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Would you split over this? AIBU not to?

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rainbowiris · 02/09/2020 20:36

Long time lurker but first time poster so be a bit gentle with me please! Sorry this ended up being a bit long but I'd appreciate any advice.

DH and I generally have a good relationship, get on well, still plenty to talk about even 17 years in. Two teenage DC, we have our ups and downs but generally our relationship is pretty solid. However, he is completely shit with money. We both have ok-paid jobs now although I earn more than him and always have (we actually do the same job now though). When I met him, he had a number of debts (already with collection agents etc), which I helped him to sort out and pay off. He has since, a number of times over the years we've been together, periodically (probably about 4 times) run up credit card debts which we've ended up getting loans to pay off. Not huge amounts each time, a couple of thousand - enough for me to be really angry but not divorce him over it if that makes sense. I ended up taking complete control of the finances after we'd been together a few years as it became obvious he wasn't going to be able to manage things like leaving enough money in to cover direct debits, and he willingly gets his wage paid into the joint account, with me then transferring him back his half of whatever's left after everything's paid out.

Each time the credit card thing happened he promised it will never happen again and for a while it's always ok, apart from having debts to pay off, which sent us into a bit of a debt spiral each month and ending up using our joint credit card more than we should. A couple of years ago we moved to a different area which led to a couple of years of living frugally as moving was an expensive business but we had to do it at that point for various school/job related reasons. Our financial situation eased up this summer when we were able to switch to a cheaper mortgage deal and refinanced our debts with a clear plan to have everything paid off within five years, this new financial situation also freeing us up from the cycle of being in debt each month as we have more money to live on. It took me a long time of researching financial options and in general I spend a lot of time each month sorting the money out. I felt like a huge weight was lifted when everything had got sorted and there was actually enough money to pay for everything each month. We get about £75 each left to buy whatever we want with, which I know isn't loads but literally everything else is paid for and we have money in the joint account that can be used too (just requires a bit more discussion before an expensive purchase) so I manage fine with this amount.

Tonight I got home, picked up the post off my seat on the sofa and opened it, inadvertently opening a letter addressed to DH (it looked like a bill, and as I deal with all bills I didn't even check whose name was on the front). It was a letter from PayPal credit saying he's defaulted on a payment. He owes them £1700.

I asked him straight away, he said sorry and he's not spent it on anything much, just bits and bats (he cycles so buys bike bits a lot), and he's also got at least £500 on another card that he told me he'd got rid of.

Extra info: he had a bit of a shit childhood, ended up being brought up mainly by paternal grandparents. His dad would swan in every so often and take him out shopping. I think this has created some issues for him, he thinks credit cards are free money and that he can just buy what he likes when he likes. He can't seem to make the association that having these debts creates this ridiculous cycle of not being able to afford anything as we spend so much paying them back! He doesn't like waiting to buy things although will spend time researching to get the best deal in things he wants to buy, just doesn't like to wait to save up.

Aside from money, he's a good husband, great dad. Never looks at other women, mostly pretty thoughtful, does his share round the house. I don't want to divorce him but I'm really struggling to get past the fact he's lied AGAIN about this and put us up shit creek again with money, just when we'd got sorted. Part of me wants to kill him/kick him out/divorce him because he's had so many chances and if I keep bailing him out he'll keep doing it, part of me thinks it's not worth throwing a good relationship away over money, I'm 40 and not interested in starting again, I just want to settle down and enjoy what I've worked hard for, I can't afford to live here on my own and the kids need both parents.

AIBU to not kill him? What can I do? How do we pay off yet more money? I can't just leave him to it as he doesn't have enough left to pay it off himself. He's nearly 50 FFS, I thought we'd be sorted for money by now :(

OP posts:
user1471538283 · 03/09/2020 18:10

He needs to solve this not you. And he needs to sort this out long term if you are to stay together. The thing is whilst you are with him you may be liable for this and it might ruin you. What if you became unable to work or there was an emergency? My nerves couldn't take not knowing what was owed. He's an adult and he needs to grow up

BoomBoomsCousin · 03/09/2020 18:27

Well done on talking to him and letting him take the action to Make good his mistake OP.

I do hope it turns out well for you both. Flowers

Clymene · 03/09/2020 18:34

If you do stay together, I really urge you to get couples counselling as I said earlier. This is a dynamic that you both need to unpick.

You obviously feel guilty about some past transgression which means you excuse his frankly appalling behaviour because you're grateful to him for staying with you. At some point you both have to put the past behind you.

Now is a good time in invest in your relationship if you're planning on staying together for the next 30 odd years!

teawamutu · 03/09/2020 20:25

Good luck, OP.

I really and genuinely hope you can both find a way through this.

He might always be shit with money, but if he can get his head round the idea that he's giving himself permission to spend money that the rest of the family go without to fund, maybe there's hope?

LizzieSiddal · 03/09/2020 22:33

Agree with poster above, it’s good he is being proactive today but he needs to show he will get help so he understands why he keeps doing this to you.

Good luck with it all OP.

MrsZola · 03/09/2020 22:55

Sounds like my DH. I would have left but he was diagnosed with an increasingly debilitating neurogical condition. Because of the condition he had to liquidate his business, which I only discovered at the meeting had gone tits up. DH had taken out personal loans - he owes over 100K. It makes me feel ill whenever I think about it. I feel totally betrayed and trapped. I have taken control of the finances.

LizzieSiddal · 03/09/2020 23:00

So sorry you are going through that MesZola Flowers I hope you are getting some support for yourself.

RhymesWithOrange · 03/09/2020 23:03

@MrsZola Thanks do start a thread if you think MN can help.

rainbowiris · 04/09/2020 08:17

@MrsZola that sounds so hard. Have you managed to get some help or support? At least in my situation it's a relatively small amount, at that level you'd need some solid financial and debt management advice xx

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 04/09/2020 14:57

That's a very clear-eyed couple of updates, OP - good luck!

willowmelangell · 04/09/2020 19:08

Can he get a 2nd job? Delivery cyclist pizza shop type thing. Evenings and weekends?
That would pay off his debt.

LanaDelBoy · 23/09/2020 16:05

How's it going op @rainbowiris ?

rainbowiris · 23/09/2020 17:33

Ok so far, thank you for asking - he's been busy selling his stuff and has made quite a bit of a dent into the debt, with lots of other stuff still listed or in the process of being put together for sale. I've resisted the temptation to do my usual trick of trying to sort it all out and we've had some good heart to hearts about his attitude to money and the mental load of women generally. He is being proactive about things which fills me with hope :)

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abstractprojection · 23/09/2020 18:40

This is going to be the rest of your life OP and you don’t deserve to be mopping up his mess and going without just to keep the wolf from the door, and most importantly being constantly decieved. Owning up when caught isn’t enough, broken promises and hidden secrets are.

However if you don’t to want to end your relationship and break up the family, which only you can know and decide, I would suggest putting financial barriers in place. This is where legal advise would be useful, but I would seriously consider a divorce to have financial separation, with him signing over the house to you (if you can afford to meet the mortgage requirements), him taking on the debts (if legally allowed), but continuing your relationship and him living there in return for rent plus child maintenance with a lodgers agreement. This way on a practical level everything carries on as it does, except him and only him will be liable for debt and you, your home and your children’s home will be safe.

This might sound extreme and complicated and you would need legal advise, and I am sure it would be very upsetting, but I seriously think it might be the only way.

I would also suggest counselling if he hasn’t already, but this is something for him to do for him, and not an ultimatum or another pass card

LakieLady · 23/09/2020 18:59

Bloody hell, OP, he's a pillock. And a lying one, at that.

Expecting you to keep living on a shoestring while he runs up debt again is contemptuous behaviour imo. Where's his respect for you? Where's his kindness?

Given how highly you speak of him in other ways, I'd maybe consider one last chance, but only on the following conditions

  1. he must sell the bikes, bike bits and everything and use all the money to reduce or clear the debt
  1. he agrees to the credit freeze thingy a PP referred to (and thanks to whoever that is, that is a very useful bit of info)
  1. he has no cards except for a prepaid card that he can use for small purchases

He's been acting like an incontinent child and he must expect to be treated as such. If it wasn't for the fact that you seem to love him and get along fine in other respects, I'd be saying LTB.

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