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Would you split over this? AIBU not to?

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rainbowiris · 02/09/2020 20:36

Long time lurker but first time poster so be a bit gentle with me please! Sorry this ended up being a bit long but I'd appreciate any advice.

DH and I generally have a good relationship, get on well, still plenty to talk about even 17 years in. Two teenage DC, we have our ups and downs but generally our relationship is pretty solid. However, he is completely shit with money. We both have ok-paid jobs now although I earn more than him and always have (we actually do the same job now though). When I met him, he had a number of debts (already with collection agents etc), which I helped him to sort out and pay off. He has since, a number of times over the years we've been together, periodically (probably about 4 times) run up credit card debts which we've ended up getting loans to pay off. Not huge amounts each time, a couple of thousand - enough for me to be really angry but not divorce him over it if that makes sense. I ended up taking complete control of the finances after we'd been together a few years as it became obvious he wasn't going to be able to manage things like leaving enough money in to cover direct debits, and he willingly gets his wage paid into the joint account, with me then transferring him back his half of whatever's left after everything's paid out.

Each time the credit card thing happened he promised it will never happen again and for a while it's always ok, apart from having debts to pay off, which sent us into a bit of a debt spiral each month and ending up using our joint credit card more than we should. A couple of years ago we moved to a different area which led to a couple of years of living frugally as moving was an expensive business but we had to do it at that point for various school/job related reasons. Our financial situation eased up this summer when we were able to switch to a cheaper mortgage deal and refinanced our debts with a clear plan to have everything paid off within five years, this new financial situation also freeing us up from the cycle of being in debt each month as we have more money to live on. It took me a long time of researching financial options and in general I spend a lot of time each month sorting the money out. I felt like a huge weight was lifted when everything had got sorted and there was actually enough money to pay for everything each month. We get about £75 each left to buy whatever we want with, which I know isn't loads but literally everything else is paid for and we have money in the joint account that can be used too (just requires a bit more discussion before an expensive purchase) so I manage fine with this amount.

Tonight I got home, picked up the post off my seat on the sofa and opened it, inadvertently opening a letter addressed to DH (it looked like a bill, and as I deal with all bills I didn't even check whose name was on the front). It was a letter from PayPal credit saying he's defaulted on a payment. He owes them £1700.

I asked him straight away, he said sorry and he's not spent it on anything much, just bits and bats (he cycles so buys bike bits a lot), and he's also got at least £500 on another card that he told me he'd got rid of.

Extra info: he had a bit of a shit childhood, ended up being brought up mainly by paternal grandparents. His dad would swan in every so often and take him out shopping. I think this has created some issues for him, he thinks credit cards are free money and that he can just buy what he likes when he likes. He can't seem to make the association that having these debts creates this ridiculous cycle of not being able to afford anything as we spend so much paying them back! He doesn't like waiting to buy things although will spend time researching to get the best deal in things he wants to buy, just doesn't like to wait to save up.

Aside from money, he's a good husband, great dad. Never looks at other women, mostly pretty thoughtful, does his share round the house. I don't want to divorce him but I'm really struggling to get past the fact he's lied AGAIN about this and put us up shit creek again with money, just when we'd got sorted. Part of me wants to kill him/kick him out/divorce him because he's had so many chances and if I keep bailing him out he'll keep doing it, part of me thinks it's not worth throwing a good relationship away over money, I'm 40 and not interested in starting again, I just want to settle down and enjoy what I've worked hard for, I can't afford to live here on my own and the kids need both parents.

AIBU to not kill him? What can I do? How do we pay off yet more money? I can't just leave him to it as he doesn't have enough left to pay it off himself. He's nearly 50 FFS, I thought we'd be sorted for money by now :(

OP posts:
LaurieFairyCake · 02/09/2020 21:42

Huh ? Hmm

How come he gets to spend, what £10,000-20,000 on himself over the years

While you get £70 a month???

That's not a 'great husband', that's someone who has no respect and is deceitful to YOU.

He doesn't need therapy but you might Thanks

billy1966 · 02/09/2020 21:51

17 years of scrimping and saving because he is so mean and deceitful.

You are way too good for him.

I certainly couldn't live with someone who I knew could be so dishonest and unkind as to leave me with next to nothing month after month.

OP, your bar is very low.

Your life sounds so stressful.

Up to you how you want it to be, but believe me you will not be happy when you look back at the totality of your life...woking hard, scrimping, all for a really dishonest man.

He's cheating you and your children.
So selfish.

Good luck.Flowers

BoyTree · 02/09/2020 21:53

I feel for you - it's awful to be in a relationship with someone who is lovely but with a massive flaw.

But make no mistake - he's not a good husband or father if he's lying to you and depriving your family of money so that he can buy things for himself. He's choosing to do this over and over again, and if he cares enough to try and salvage things, then it can't be because you force him into addressing it.

Does he want to change? Has he offered to sell things to repay the money? Has he suggested counselling or support? Because if you have to coerce him into it, then it's unlikely to work, really isn't it? He's already failing to address it by choosing to take out MORE credit when you are spending your "free time" trying to get your family out of debt. Does he understand that he cannot spend in isolation without literally taking money away from your children? That he is depriving them of opportunities to do things by spending on himself?

It sounds awful for you and I can totally understand why you don't want to leave him over this, but are you really prepared to accept a life of saving and working hard and watching him spend with barely a second thought? Because I fear that once the kids have left home and you no longer want or need the stability of a family unit, you will be left working until you're 90 to support his desire for more 'stuff'.

DalzielandPaxo · 02/09/2020 21:58

What did he spend the money on?

How come he gets to spend and spend and spend and you have to live with nothing leftover while you sort out his giant fuck ups?

How is that fair?

LizzieSiddal · 02/09/2020 22:00

Thank you for the suggestions about places to contact for debt advice, credit alerts etc, I will look into those.

Why do you need to look into this?! It’s him who needs to sort himself out- yes give him the names of these organisations but he needs to show he wants to change.

rainbowiris · 02/09/2020 22:07

I think I might just give him the link to this thread, it might be the wake up call he needs.

I don't know what he's spent it on yet, he's out cycling with his bike club tonight. He loves shopping on eBay so I suspect it's a bike frame here, some wheels there - he's always got a plan going to build these bikes and sell them, just seems far better at the shopping for them bit than the selling them bit 🙄

I've given up drinking and have been sitting looking at a (closed) wine bottle tonight. I've put it back in the cupboard now and am going to bed. I'm not going to ruin my nearly ten month sober streak over this.

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StayClosePooky · 02/09/2020 22:12

He's not a good father or husband if he's willing to put you in financial hardship

EarringsandLipstick · 02/09/2020 22:20

@rainbowiris

I've given up drinking and have been sitting looking at a (closed) wine bottle tonight. I've put it back in the cupboard now and am going to bed. I'm not going to ruin my nearly ten month sober streak over this.

Fair play to you. You're doing the right thing. But it's not easy, I can only imagine.

I hope you get some sleep & that tomorrow brings a bit more clarity 🌹

ManxRhyme · 02/09/2020 22:22

Make him sell his bike bit right back on ebay to pay down the debt. He gets to keep ONE bike for commuting. Sell everything of his that isn't essential.

WTF is he doing out with his bike club leaving you to handle the mess.

He needs to sort his own shit out - you cannot live like this or you are looking at being permanently destitute.

Tappering · 02/09/2020 22:23

@rainbowiris

I think I might just give him the link to this thread, it might be the wake up call he needs.

I don't know what he's spent it on yet, he's out cycling with his bike club tonight. He loves shopping on eBay so I suspect it's a bike frame here, some wheels there - he's always got a plan going to build these bikes and sell them, just seems far better at the shopping for them bit than the selling them bit 🙄

I've given up drinking and have been sitting looking at a (closed) wine bottle tonight. I've put it back in the cupboard now and am going to bed. I'm not going to ruin my nearly ten month sober streak over this.

Well he needs to sell his fucking bike and accessories then, doesn't he?

How is he a good man and father when he's lying to you all the time? He clearly doesn't give a shit about his kids' financial security because he's too busy spunking money on eBay.

Focus less on the debt and more on the fact that he's lied to you. Again. What's going to stop this from continuing? He apologies, you fix it, he does it again.

I couldn't live like this. Do you want to spend the next 40 odd years having to police every penny because you are worried he's going to run up a load of debt again?

DSsnmum · 02/09/2020 22:24

Could have written this about my husband. He is awful with money but he would say that himself. I now completely control all the finances. His paypal etc are all linked to our joint account, he has a credit card but it is a secondary card on my account and he only has a debit card again linked to our joint account. He is banned from gambling websites, I made him close them all down. He has stuck to this for the last few years now, I made it clear I would leave if he got us into any more debt. It’s not nice being the bad guy about this and him checking before he spends money but he does this as he knows how shit he is with money and wants to stop. It wouldn’t work for everyone but it works for us.

rainbowiris · 02/09/2020 22:38

@DSsnmum

Could have written this about my husband. He is awful with money but he would say that himself. I now completely control all the finances. His paypal etc are all linked to our joint account, he has a credit card but it is a secondary card on my account and he only has a debit card again linked to our joint account. He is banned from gambling websites, I made him close them all down. He has stuck to this for the last few years now, I made it clear I would leave if he got us into any more debt. It’s not nice being the bad guy about this and him checking before he spends money but he does this as he knows how shit he is with money and wants to stop. It wouldn’t work for everyone but it works for us.
Thank you for this. I'm sorry you've been through similar.
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Whatisthisfuckery · 02/09/2020 22:41

If this was happening in a different way, the husband keeping all the family money to spend on himself and giving the OP £75 a month to live on people would be going mad saying it’s financial abuse, LTB etc. I can’t see how this is any different really, in fact it’s probably worse because of the deception. At least if he was keeping all the money himself and depriving the OP it would be obvious.

OP I couldn’t live like this. I have an almost fear of being in debt. If you stay with him he needs to get help, and he needs to sort everything out himself otherwise you’ll be back in this position every few years when his credit rating recovers enough to get more.

Good luck, I wouldn’t like to be in your position, it must be really devastating.

RandomMess · 02/09/2020 22:45

I'd make him sell his bike tbh.

FilthyforFirth · 02/09/2020 22:48

How an earth has he swanned off to cycle club when this has just happened? Really sorry OP but there is your answer, right there.

If he truly wanted to change, or was remotely sorry, he would be sitting down with you now, coming up with a plan, and acknowledging that he needs help.

Instead, it is life as usual for him as he knows you will pick up the pieces.

I would seriously consider leaving as he doesnt seem to think there is a problem. Others are right. What happens when you are retired? What sort of a dreadful example is he setting to your kids?

Isolatedizzy · 02/09/2020 22:50

I'd leave him and I'm pretty shit with money myself!
In a blink of an eye you'll be 50, if he's still playing these games you'll be in the same situation!

What about retirement, building up some savings winding down as you get older etc etc

You'll be working until you're 70, I can't imagine you'll be thinking what a great husband he is then!

MostlyHappyMummy · 02/09/2020 22:53

What will you do next time?

aceofspades987 · 02/09/2020 23:05

I think the real question is do you feel like a team? Like it's you and him together solving problems and supporting each other? Or is it as i suspect, you've discovered he's got into debt, he's buggered off out knowing you'll fix it and you're sat there feeling afraid and alone?
He may well be a lovely man but he's not playing his part of the partnership and it's not fair on you or your kids.

Yeahnahmum · 02/09/2020 23:20

Stop enabling him. And stop making excuses for him.
He is dishonest and chooses to lie and deceit every time.
And he will go on and on
And will never stop.

Does that sounds like a great marriage?

LibrariesGiveUsPower · 02/09/2020 23:28

10 month sober streak - well done. Is there a backstory there? Not to pry, but just wondering.

DH. You need to sit down and have a very frank conversation. He’s in debt. Make him cancel bike club membership. Sell bike gear (do it yourself not hard to find the right forum to give advice). He has to recover that money. Where is he going to find it? No bailing him out of the joint purse. The lying is a massive issues to me.

candycane222 · 02/09/2020 23:34

Id like to know how he justifies spending £1700+ on himself when you only get £75 - and it's only £75 BECAUSE OF HIM! How can he hold his head up doing this to you? How can he live with himself? Has he no shame? Either he thinks he's entitled to the money but you aren't, or he knows its unfair but doesn't care enough about you to want to change anything and deal with his issues.Neither looks great from here.

What do you think he'd say?

Cocomarine · 02/09/2020 23:38

You need to stop thinking it’s so hard on him to repay on his own if he only has £75 a month. Tough bloody luck!

You’re wrong that he got into debt because he only has £75 when you tried that approach... he got into debt because he knew mummy would pay it off for him again.

Blaming your childhood at 50, after multiple instances is pathetic. Whatever impact his childhood had - he’s fucked up enough times to have sought counselling. But he doesn’t need to - because mummy nails him out.

I’d leave him, because i feel very strongly about being taken the piss out of.

If you want to stay:

  • block all access to credit with him
  • leave him to it, to pay off

Starting with his extra bike bits 🙄

MadCattery · 02/09/2020 23:56

He should consider a second job, something he can do for a few hours after his regular job, couple nights a week. It will allow him to pay down the debt and maybe, once his cards are paid off, contribute more to the household and pocket money.

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 03/09/2020 00:01

I think he really has to take responsibility for sorting this. Starting with selling his bikes, and sorting out a debt management plan. Then alerts on any new credit activity with no resentment, or blocking himself from taking out credit.

He has to really feel it himself.

Also counselling for him to work how why he does this and how to stop.

You need to think of it in terms of him manipulating things so that he still has plenty of spends while you have to scrimp and save.

reader12 · 03/09/2020 00:15

Sorry but he sounds really selfish and horrible. I’m rubbish with money and was in debt from making stupid decisions in my twenties when I met my husband, he bailed me out which I still feel bad about, but I would never dream of being so selfish as to run up new debts now that we’re together and what I do affects both of us and our child.

He’s repeatedly putting a huge and stressful burden on you and by keeping you all in debt is depriving your kids of so many options now and in the future and he doesn’t seem to care at all. I’d be seriously thinking about leaving him.

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