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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 11/08/2020 22:41

YANBU.

I'd ask her directly "MIL why is Afro hair an issue for you?"

Coffeeisnecessary · 11/08/2020 22:42

That's incredibly rude of your MIL, how can she not realise that that is a stupid thing to comment on? I think your DM is right, hope your husband has totally got your back on this issue and will speak to her?

Toria1586 · 11/08/2020 22:43

They’re racist - oh good it’s ok they don’t have Afro hair. Why what’s wrong with Afro hair??

I would definitely be calling them out on the comments, aside from the issue of them being offensive that last thing you need is your DC being affected and getting complexes about their hair

PawPatrolMakesMeDrink · 11/08/2020 22:44

I’d be raging. Racist MIL can fuck right off.
I’d want to ask her directly what the issue would be if the kids did have Afro hair?

Jennygentle · 11/08/2020 22:44

No-one is so thick as to not realise that was offensive and racist. I think you’ll have to have it out with her, unfortunately.

AramintaLee · 11/08/2020 22:45

Afro hair is beautiful. I'd be telling your MIL to f*ck off.

Tryingandfailing · 11/08/2020 22:45

I would be annoyed too. I think you should try and challenge her on it. Your mum is right to be concerned about your kids having to hear that.
I'm really sorry you have to put up with such ignorance.

Beamur · 11/08/2020 22:47

I think your MIL is being incredibly rude and insensitive. You on the other hand are being very restrained!
Personally I would put this to your DH to speak to his Mum about. She obviously does have some kind of issue with afro hair. It's rude (incredibly rude!) that she keeps seeking reassurance that your DC don't have afro hair - even more so from you.

zaffa · 11/08/2020 22:48

From your description it sounds as though your MIL would be disappointed if your DD had Afro hair - would she be similarly vocal if her skin darkened over time or voice relief if it lightened? If so then definitely racist - but I suppose There is also the chance she is coming from a place of ignorance and not malice but frankly with a mixed race family she should educate herself to ensure she doesn't ever do anything to make her grandchildren (or her DIL) feel uncomfortable.

timesareachanging · 11/08/2020 22:48

You need to say

“And what exactly is wrong with Afro hair?”

ladypete · 11/08/2020 22:49

She’s racist.

I would be having a conversation with her and avoiding the DC having contact with her unless/until she makes changes. It is incredibly damaging to have black DC around attitudes like that.

timetest · 11/08/2020 22:49

Your mother in law was rude and offensive. Surely no one can be that ignorant these days.

Theodoreb · 11/08/2020 22:49

Yanbu she is obviously racist and I really don't see the issue with Afro hair think it's pretty.

1Morewineplease · 11/08/2020 22:50

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

YANBU.

I'd ask her directly "MIL why is Afro hair an issue for you?"

Yes, I’d ask this.
ladypete · 11/08/2020 22:52

@zaffa I understand your point, however racism
can be in the form of malice, ignorance or being uneducated.

Just because she isn’t explicitly showing contempt for dark skin it doesn’t mean she isn’t racist.

Cam2020 · 11/08/2020 22:53

She sounds like a horrible, obsessive twat. I'd be tempted to say that their hair is afro to see what she says - watch her hang herself! She sounds replusive and I think your mum is right.

Spanglebangle · 11/08/2020 22:54

It may be ignorance rather than racist. She may think afro hair is difficult to style and look after. Maybe she thinks it would be easier for them if didn't have afro hair.
I think a rational conversation about her issues around afro hair and asking her to keep her comments away from the children would be sensible.

Wbeezer · 11/08/2020 22:55

It reminds me about negative comments speculating about ginger hair on babies (happened to me and often comes up on Mumsnet). Some people have a narrow view of whats acceptable hair and seem to think everyone thinks like them, its very narrow minded and rude and in thus case, yes, probably with a touch if added racism.
If it was said in a spirit of excited curiosity about what the baby will look like it wouldnt be so bad but your MIL sounds negative.

TableFlowerss · 11/08/2020 22:55

Some people are absolute arseholes. She’s one of them.

zaffa · 11/08/2020 22:55

[quote ladypete]@zaffa I understand your point, however racism
can be in the form of malice, ignorance or being uneducated.

Just because she isn’t explicitly showing contempt for dark skin it doesn’t mean she isn’t racist.[/quote]
I think we are making the same point. I'm not saying she isn't racist if it's from a place of ignorance - I'm saying if it is ignorance and not malice she should educate herself better.
If it is in fact a malicious racist hatred then she should clearly be excluded from the family permanently

RightOnTheEdge · 11/08/2020 22:57

I think it's not good enough that your husband just shrugs it off, it's incredibly rude. He should be standing up for you.
I can't believe she has the nerve to say that to you! Shock

You have been extremely restrained to have been so polite so far. You need to challenge her though. She can't carry on being so insulting especially in front of your dc.

TableFlowerss · 11/08/2020 23:01

Also- it may well be down to ignorance and she may think it could be more difficult to manage, however.... just don’t say anything in that case.

Any descent person would think ‘hmm if I say that could it be offensive?’ And they wouldn’t say anything. It’s clearly not to compliment you.

Idiot.

Merryoldgoat · 11/08/2020 23:02

Black women have been dealing with shitty comments about their hair for too long.

I have a similar heritage to you OP but again, the quirks of genetics has given me European hair (most people think I’m Greek or Spanish).

My mum had Afro hair but it was the ‘worst’ of her sisters - that’s the hair she grew up with and basically went bald trying to relax it to emulate a different hair type. It also meant she projected the shit on us and she was so pleased my sisters and I had ‘good’ hair.

My sons are a hilarious confluence of genetics, one who looks Mediterranean with dark hair and eyes and olive skin, the other is blond with blue eyes.

Thankfully my MIL only finds my heritage a positive. YANBU to be angry and I’d challenge her views if I were you - I wouldn’t want my mixed heritage children spending time with racists.

GetKnitted · 11/08/2020 23:02

sorry that you had to put up with this ignorance from your MIL.

TableFlowerss · 11/08/2020 23:04

I mean the MIL is an idiot