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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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Fletchings · 12/08/2020 10:38

Maybe she’s panicky that she doesn’t know what to do with Afro hair?

afro hair is nothing to panic about. I mean wtf???

C130 · 12/08/2020 10:40

I would try to find out why your mil is concerned about the child having African hair in the first place. Reading your OP, it would appear that she is not even able to identify if the child has it or not. So what exactly are her worries about it? Do you relax your hair OP? If your hair is natural, can she not see with her own eyes that your hair is a different texture to your DD? It sounds like she has no real notion of what African hair textures can look like. A simple conversation, along with a few youtube viewings, if she is an open minded person can resolve this.

Feralkidsatthecampsite · 12/08/2020 10:42

Has she commented on your ds's hair? My ginger dd was told by a teacher she also had ginger hair as a dc but luckily it turned brown!!
If mil was concerned about your dd being genuinely different surely she would have worried about a gingery ds? Seems to me she is indeed racist.
FYI I love dd's hair!!
And so does she!!
Just saying ginger has people making lots of judgemental comments...

Heffalooomia · 12/08/2020 10:43

Your mother-in-law sounds like the character in The little Britain sketch
I don't know if she's deliberately racist or completely devoid of any self-awareness but she sounds dreadful if, I had her in my life I would wipe the floor with her
You might prefer to be kinder but she should be called out in my opinion

MotherofKitties · 12/08/2020 10:55

I'm afraid she's racist IP, and I'm sorry you and your children are being subjected to her appallingly ignorant views.

At the end of the day, these children are her grandchildren, and it's just hair, so why is she so concerned about it? I agree with PPs suggestions and that both you and your husband actively challenge her every time she comes out with seemingly 'innocuous' comments about your children's hair/your cooking etc and monitor her interactions with your children closely.

She'll soon learn that her comments and behaviour are unacceptable, and your children will grow up knowing it is absolutely not on for someone to be judged by their hair, skin tone or heritage.

AbsolutelyPositively · 12/08/2020 11:08

I haven't relaxed or treated my hair in years, but I keep it plaited in two big plaits as I don't have any time for upkeep. When she visits she only sees my hair like this.

DH wasn't there when she made the comment and up until now I hadn't told him because I didn't want to come across like I was stirring trouble. I told him last night after creating the thread and realising it wasn't okay. He was actually really disappointed and angry at his mum and has said he's going to have strong words with her as he's had enough.

MIL focuses more on the 'blonde' part of DS's strawberry blonde hair. I don't even think it will stay that colour, DH's family have had so many children born blonde and at around 8-10 yrs their hair changed either to bright red or dark brown! My hair is a very light brown bordering on red, so I wouldn't be surprised no matter what happens with DS.

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ladypete · 12/08/2020 11:13

I find all this “maybe they’re worried that they don’t know what to do with her hair” rubbish ridiculous.

If your DS and DIL are expecting, and she is mixed race, you know damn well that there is a strong chance your GC will have curlier/Afro hair.
She’s had months if not years to educate themselves and “come to terms” with the idea.

“Being scared” of something that makes a child different to you is absolutely no excuse.

I will say it again - she is racist and you need to protect your children from her disgusting behaviour and comments.

FrenchtoEnglish · 12/08/2020 11:15

Great! I hope you use it! Keep us all updated on what you decide to do! I need to know the ending to this! I know how hard it is to come up with an answer on the spot. Especially if she says that kind of thing in front of the kids. I'm very overweight and a friend of mine told my TWO year old that she needed to watch her figure (the little one was eyeing up some Easter eggs). I couldn't think of anything to say at the time because I was embarrassed because of my own weight. I wish I had. I thought of a million things to say afterwards. And now I've vowed that I'll always stick up for my kids. And myself! We have to!

makingmammaries · 12/08/2020 11:16

How horrible of your MIL. Afro hair is beautiful. On mixed-race children it can be positively stunning. In any event your MIL is being rude since what her words imply is that she does not want your DCs’ appearance to reflect a part of your heritage. I hope your DP manages to put a stop to that.

Fletchings · 12/08/2020 11:24

I haven't relaxed or treated my hair in years, but I keep it plaited in two big plaits as I don't have any time for upkeep. When she visits she only sees my hair like this

I have some people with racist views in my family. I find that it is less of an issue if you as the DIL has different hair/skin than the grandchildren because they are blood relatives whilst I 'only' married into the family but have nothing to do with the blood line. Having blood related children in the family with obviously different ethnicity traces seems to be much more of an issue for the in-family racists. Hope this makes sense.

MorganKitten · 12/08/2020 11:30

Ask her outright and find a way to educate her or explain that it’ll damage your children’s esteem.

CremeEggThief · 12/08/2020 11:32

I am not sure if it's racist as such, but it's definitely not nice . A lot of people are rude and look down their noses about any curly hair types. You even see it on here on Style and Beauty; a lot of women hate their curls and seem to think anyone else with curly hair feels the same as they do and straight hair is viewed as superior.

BestOfTimesBlurstOfTimes · 12/08/2020 11:36

Your MIL sounds a delight. Please do call her out on her lazy racism.

Chocolate4me · 12/08/2020 11:38

Well I'm glad your DH is being supportive and is going to have a word! He needs to tell her that it's not nice to be that way, and to speak like it around the children is totally out of order. She may not see herself as being racist, but it's definitely an issue and your children don't need to encounter this at home 🙄 I think you've been extremely polite and forgiving!

PicsInRed · 12/08/2020 11:53

Is your DH willing to take a hard line on this?
Or does he allow her mother to subject you to this nasty, devious racism each time you see her ...and now his own children.

Does he share her views?

forsucksfake · 12/08/2020 11:56

I am black and grew up in a mixed-race family constantly hearing negative and insensitive comments about (what I know is) my beautiful, thick, tightly coiled hair.

Face it: a lot of people, even black people, have a negative opinion of Afro hair or even curly hair. For that reason, I don't think I should necessarily have been shielded from the reality of hair prejudice, but I do wish at least one person present had disagreed in a firm, positive way with the negative remarks each time I heard them.

I still remember the people from childhood who had genuine kind things to say about my hair. They provided a real boost to my self-esteem.

It's a real shame people can be so cruel and narrow-minded about what grows out of a person's head.

Quaagars · 12/08/2020 11:59

I am not sure if it's racist as such, but it's definitely not nice . A lot of people are rude and look down their noses about any curly hair types.

I've just read the whole thread = I disagree. She definitely sounds racist,
What with the negative obsession over her hair (surely that's going to affect your dd, I'd be pulling her up on it Every.Bloody. Time.) and the really nice gesture of OP going to make FIL a nice lunch and she's all assuming it's going to be "forrin food" Hmm
She sounds utterly ignorant.

Quaagars · 12/08/2020 12:00

Top paragraph is a quote, bold fail! Arggh

Angelina82 · 12/08/2020 12:05

Her anxiety about whether your children have afro hair or not is either because she looks after them a lot and is worried about looking after their hair properly or she is racist. I would have asked her the first time what her problem was.

EKGEMS · 12/08/2020 12:30

"Mil I'm more afraid the children will have a racist,narrow mind like you than their hair texture"

AbsolutelyPositively · 12/08/2020 12:37

@PicsInRed

Is your DH willing to take a hard line on this? Or does he allow her mother to subject you to this nasty, devious racism each time you see her ...and now his own children.

Does he share her views?

DH has been very vocal recently about having had his eyes opened to racism following the George Floyd murder. I got very upset around that time, and worried about the safety of our children in our society. Since then, yes he has taken a much tougher stance on even the most 'innocuous' of racist comments. I do believe that next time he's face to face with his mother he will say something to make sure she knows it's not acceptable.

For anybody that's worried, as I realised I haven't addressed this, DD is regularly told by myself, DH and DM that she has beautiful princess hair. I know she'll have trouble when she's very young with tangles etc. But I have no doubt that she'll grow up to be proud of her hair as it really is stunningly beautiful and I can't stop going on about it 😊. Any recommendations for detangling remedies would be welcomed, my first port of call was a hair oil which just didn't work AT ALL. Learning about their hair types has really been an education for me!

MIL doesn't look after them at all. That definitely won't be changing now. DM will be my go to for childcare and I'm confident that she will only enhance their self esteem.

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Schoolchoicesucks · 12/08/2020 12:55

Definitely ask her what the problem would be with Afro hair.

It does sound ignorant - and she may be of a generation where many women with afro hair would battle against it's nature and damage their hair/scalp so is thinking non-afro hair would make your dc's hair easier to manage. But ignorance is no excuse for anyone to propagate negative attitudes to hair types, particularly someone who has a mixed race dil and dgc.

The food comment does put a worse slant on her comments. How easy it would be for her to suggest some actual dishes that her husband likes, rather than lumping it into a derogatory "foreign food muck" type comment.

She needs to educate herself and fast before her dgc pick up on her attitudes.

You would be very reasonable to tell your husband he needs to have a word unless you would relish doing so.

NoSleepInTheHeat · 12/08/2020 13:09

Afro hair is made harder to look after if you apply straight hair principles to it
Really? Genuine question.
I mean can you wash it, let it hair dry and put it quickly in a ponytail and still look half decent? As you can guess this question is inspired by my hair care routine during the heatwave Wink

caramac04 · 12/08/2020 13:16

My Dm asked if my beautiful baby DGD would get any darker! I was gobsmacked.
My DGD is beautiful with amazing hair (everyone makes positive comments on it).
Unfortunately some people are ignorant and/or racist. My DM was both.

gingerbiscuits · 12/08/2020 13:20

Your MIL was rude & racist!!

I'd have to call her on it - ask her why she seems to have such a problem with it. Tell her that she's being offensive. Make sure your husband has your back & is there when you do it.