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Comments about DD’s hair texture

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AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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TrishTeres · 14/08/2020 17:03

I think i am making exactly the point you describe.Flowers

hoxtonbabe · 14/08/2020 17:09

I’m reading these comments and thinking huh? My hair isn’t high maintenance, it’s all
I know and it is what it is, my son ( who’s hair is long and is mixed race) isn’t high maintenance, it’s all I’ve ever known. What may be high maintenance and palava to one may be the norm to another.

The pulling away when brushing it etc, again to me that’s just standard, I can’t think of any black/mixed girl or boy even with Afro hair that didn’t pull away etc at some point. It also helps if you don’t try and go to bed without twisting or plaiting it, a denman brush is a godsend (I didn’t have those when I was a kid.. I had the wooden pick comb!)

Every night I twist my hair in at least 8 twists after I dampen it with water and curl activator or leave in so when I wake up it’s not tangled. When I wore wigs or weaves many moons ago that for me was more hassle as I spent so much time faffing about with it with straighteners or tongs.

The MIL asked her son what would you do if the children came out with Afro hair?!? I mean what could he do? It is what it is, if they did have Afro hair you just have to get on with it or was she expecting him to abandon his wife and children? I mean it’s a question you just don’t ask as it’s so stupid.

If she said “ Absolutely, I saw this leave in detangler for children with curly/Afro hair and thought it may be good for mini Absolutely” then that is likely to be coming from a good place but saying in a panicked tone “is she getting the Afro hair ” and saying “that’s good” in some sort of relief when the OP said her DD doesn’t have her hair or her mother’s hair texture is an absolute insult and nothing positive can be taken from that nor does it come across as being concerned, not that she has any reason to be concerned! Afro hair or thick non Afro hair as OP daughter has shouldn’t be viewed with “concern” Being neglectful of the hair to the point it looks like a birds nest or matting = being concern and that can be applied to all races with all hair types. A kid with Afro/mixed race hair or hair like the OP daughter has, that happens to squirm When getting their hair brushed is just bog standard everyday that we go through.. it is what it is.

If she is so concerned she should go off and buy the OP a Mixed chicks kids Quad set, and a denman brush rather than clutching at her pearls worrying about if she “has the Afro hair”

Aglet · 14/08/2020 17:15

I'm 66 years old and if I live to be a hundred I will never understand why some people in a first world country are so fucking stupid and pig ignorant. Yet, if you called her a racist she would probably be shocked.

Bananabread8 · 14/08/2020 17:15

MIL needs educating on Afro hair perhaps she should buy a book about it before she makes a throw away comments are racists there’s nothing to laugh about.
If you had a child and somebody was referring to your child like that I don’t think you would laugh it off

TrishTeres · 14/08/2020 17:56

I don't disagree with your suggestions at all although I haven't viewed the book so can't say specifically. I wouldn't speak of family relations or any others in terms of "calling" anyone "out". It sounds like an inquisition. I far prefer a softer approach. e.g medium.com/writtenpersuasion/how-to-call-someone-out-on-their-bullshit-and-get-away-with-it-25e4317bc641 Certainly conversations often need to be had around people's behaviours
in family settings and lots of others too - intentional or otherwise.

Luckingfovely · 14/08/2020 18:43

I have loved reading this thread and have learnt a lot! I can't add anything from personal experience but so happy for the support you've had on here 😊

SinisterSparkle · 14/08/2020 20:43

@hoxtonbabe couldn't agree more with everything you said 👏🏾. Just want to add brushing from the bottom and working your way up also helps to detangle

maygirl · 15/08/2020 01:31

Just popping on with my hair care recommendation. www.tightlycurly.com/welcome

I'm mixed race, black African/white British and discovering these techniques with step by step videos and getting her book was a game changer! DH is white British, and our DD has long dark brown loose corkscrew curls prone to tangling painfully. I've adapted the methods I learnt here to care for her curls. She prefers a tangle teaser, whilst I use a Denman brush.

Sorry you've had to deal with such rude comments from your MIL.

AbsolutelyPositively · 15/08/2020 11:43

I tried the conditioner mixed with water and it worked a treat! I've messed around with a photo editing app to show the results. DS I'm not sure he really needed it but it worked as a beautiful curl activator so I couldn't resist Blush. DD's hair was SO much easier to manage and once I tied it up it created its own natural little bun. I also spotted the Cantu detangler in an Afro Caribbean hair shop and picked that up so I shall try that too. Thank you to everybody who offered help and suggestions and also to every single person on the thread, you've all made me feel so much more confident about talking to MIL and I'm actually looking forward to doing it soon Grin

Comments about DD’s hair texture
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ILoveIkea · 15/08/2020 13:03

😊
They look fab well done Momma! X

Rainallnight · 15/08/2020 13:43

Oh cute, well done!

That’s what our DS looks like after a conditioning. Smile

DreamTheMoors · 15/08/2020 22:23

Here’s the thing, @AbsolutelyPositively -
Your MiL is racist, and she’s not only worried about your DD’s hair texture but more importantly, how your DD’s blackness reflects on her, how it will make her look, that she’s got a black granddaughter with the hair to prove it. Whatever will the neighbours say???
That, my friend, is blatantly racist. And disgusting.

AbsolutelyPositively · 15/08/2020 23:09

@DreamTheMoors and insulting! Angry honestly I feel so silly for not realising the link before, but now it's quite apparent that whatever she's scared about 'happening to her GC' is already a problem that I must have in her eyes. I really hope that after I talk to her I can put this to bed, because I have to say it's been making me angry to think about this since I got all of the advice here. However, ignorance isn't bliss in this situation. It's better I know for the sake of DC more than anything else.

OP posts:
DreamTheMoors · 15/08/2020 23:33

[quote AbsolutelyPositively]@DreamTheMoors and insulting! Angry honestly I feel so silly for not realising the link before, but now it's quite apparent that whatever she's scared about 'happening to her GC' is already a problem that I must have in her eyes. I really hope that after I talk to her I can put this to bed, because I have to say it's been making me angry to think about this since I got all of the advice here. However, ignorance isn't bliss in this situation. It's better I know for the sake of DC more than anything else. [/quote]
@AbsolutelyPositively

You’re right. It isn’t my place to tell you what to do or not to do, but I do hope you and your husband will have a conversation about this and decide how you’ll approach it together - for both your and your daughter’s sakes. Because it seems to me that every racist comment MiL makes is a direct comment about you and your DM. And that is unacceptable all the way around.
Whatever you end up deciding, I wish you luck and much love.
PS - my mum cut my long hair off into a pixie when I started school. My father was furious with her and wouldn’t speak to her for days hahaha.

Happynow001 · 16/08/2020 06:45

Hi OP

Just saw the pictures you posted of your children. They and their hair look gorgeous. They made me smile - lovely way to start my day. 😊
🌹

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 16/08/2020 10:25

Very beautiful hair, OP!

AbsolutelyPositively · 16/08/2020 14:02

@WhatifIfeellikeacat @Happynow001 thank you so much 😊 I made them myself Grin. I'm honestly so in love with them, hair and all, MIL is never going to make them feel lesser because of their hair and heritage. I've also fished out my Denman brush and I've been using it for them, makes a world of difference! I'm very glad I started this thread.

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Luddite26 · 16/08/2020 15:53

Flowers hope you feel more absolutely positively now AbsolutelyPositively! Your children have beautiful hair.

Sweetpea1532 · 16/08/2020 18:41

@AbsolutelyPositively
PP mentioned that using the wrong products on afro hair can cause disastrous results...reminded me of the time I bought some miracle shampoo from an infomercial and I tried it( not at all impressed...i have long straight blonde hair) so I talked my poor sister into trying it because surely it would tame her afro frizz since the infomercial pitched the product to be especially wonderful for "the frizzes"
As you can see...my sis was ready to KILL ME ....I was laughing so hard, I wet my knickers! The photo on the right is the one we were going to send in with a 1star rating🤡

Comments about DD’s hair texture
Throckmorton · 16/08/2020 19:23

AbsolutelyPositively - both your kids have absolutely gorgeous hair!! I wish I had hair like either of theirs!

ILoveIkea · 16/08/2020 20:27

@Sweetpea1532
Lol shame about the hair...love that wallpaper though!

Sweetpea1532 · 17/08/2020 03:10

Ikea,
🤣 circa 1970

Nicknamegoeshere · 17/08/2020 03:44

I'd be really annoyed by that comment too, OP.

A very old school friend of mine has a mixed race son and he has afro hair. He is honestly one of the most beautiful kids I have ever met - strikingly so.

I'd have to challenge her on it as it "What exactly do you mean by that?" Maybe that will reveal the extent of "ignorance" vs racism and then I'd put her right big time!

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