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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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ArnoldBee · 11/08/2020 23:05

This is where things get in the grey area for me about whether it's racism or she's just a pain like my own mother was.
My mum was obsessed about my son's sticking out ears and what was I going to do about them. The answer was that I did nothing and told my mother to shut up about them and id give him the confidence to deal with them. Now he's an adult his ears fit him perfectly.

userbbb · 11/08/2020 23:06

Sounds like ignorance with a bit of racism thrown in, I do think sometimes people (as another pp said) have a narrow view of what's acceptable. My aunt only has blue eyed children & her daughter married a brown eyed man, both their dc have brown eyes which is bad apparently 🙄 You should mention it to her.

LucyTamedOgres · 11/08/2020 23:06

Hmm, not sure on this really. I’m white British with olive skin, hazel eyes and fine blonde hair.

Ds family all are very pale, with blue eyes and a good head of hair.

MIL has commented on my eye colour, hair texture etc in the past and ds has inherited my eyes, olive skin but dh thick hair. I have no doubt if my hair had been curly, she would have commented on this too and god forbid if ds had inherited the curl!

Just giving another viewpoint and my experience. I’ve been hurt by some of her comments in the past.

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 23:08

FWIW up until this point I have been actively trying to remind myself that they are speaking from a place of ignorance not malice. It might sound harsh but I don't expect much from them, I have no reason to as I'm the first ethnic addition to the family.

It's only very recently and especially after DM's reaction that I've started to wonder how many times you can be 'ignorant' before it actually becomes malicious. The thread about Afro hair was the final straw, now I'm very interested in getting to the bottom of this.

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WhatifIfeellikeacat · 11/08/2020 23:09

I guess her comments weren't about the look of the hair but more about the maintenance, e.g. difficult to look after it. I know that many grandparents weren't too patient to look after their daughters hair. It had to be easy and practical. Some grandparents don't think about what they say.

alexdgr8 · 11/08/2020 23:10

how old are the children.
i would be wary of leaving her alone with them.
she might start making comparisons between their hair, colouring etc.
protect them from her ignorance, or whatever it is.

Greenmarmalade · 11/08/2020 23:11

Racist attitude, no doubt at all.

TitsOutForHarambe · 11/08/2020 23:13

I agree with the PP who said to directly ask her what the issue with afro hair is. You don't have to ask in an angry way, just be calm and look genuinely interested in her answer. See what she says...

famousforwrongreason · 11/08/2020 23:16

She sounds like my ex mil and her faux naive family. I'm mixed heritage and pretty non confomidt. They acted like the puking woman off little Britain around me and my friends and family.

genteelwoman · 11/08/2020 23:17

That is a horrific way to speak to about your grandchildren, particularly within earshot.

This will definitely affect your DD's self esteem and may even result in her hating her heritage and doing anything not to be associated with it as she hears the negative comments your MIL says.

As for inspecting the hair and making comments about afro hair 🤬🤬🤬😡 you are a kinder woman than I.

I have 4C hair and my mum is mixed race and dad black. My white grandfather has only ever had positive affirmations for my hair, skin tone and everything about me. I know he loves and accepts me wholeheartedly. He even learnt how to do my hair when I stayed over with my grandparents as a child (mum's 3b/c hair was much easier for him than my 4c hair). Your MIL is bang out of order.

jesusandjollof · 11/08/2020 23:19

MIL is racist and has clearly given the ‘vibe’ to your Mum before which is why your Mum knows she’s racist. Sadly her attitude is unlikely to change, but if you challenge her every time she says something hurtful or inappropriate then perhaps she will keep her disdain out of earshot of you and your children.

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 23:22

Hmm, so while I'm asking for opinions: FIL's birthday is coming up later this month. MIL spoke to DH and I the other day and said that SIL told her that we wanted him to spend it with us and we'll cook him a meal. My intention was to make a steak and ale pie with mash as that's his favourite, but she didn't know that at that point. She said 'can I make a suggestion?' ... yes... 'can you make him something English? He doesn't do well with any of that rich food'. That also made me cringe. At the time I thought it was well intentioned. It wasn't, was it?

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81Byerley · 11/08/2020 23:25

When she asked what you would do if the baby turned out to have afro hair, I'd have been tempted to say, "Oh well, if that happens, obviously we'd have to have the baby put in a home so we could try again in the hopes of getting one with proper hair". Your Mother in law is very definitely racist. You should definitely call her out on it.

badacorn · 11/08/2020 23:25

It is racist. Asking if the kids will have Afro hair as though it’s a bad thing Angry she should be embarrassed.

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 23:28

I will be asking her why she's so afraid of DC having Afro hair. Not least because any future DC could have Afro hair and I'll be damned if they're made to feel like the odd one out because of it. I'm very grateful for all of the opinions.

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willstarttomorrow · 11/08/2020 23:29

OP, DD has similar genetics to your DD. Her hair is long, thick and a marvellous unruly corkscrew. It also happens to be dark blond with natural highlights of light blond and strawberry blond because there is a lot of celtic in there too. It needs a lot of conditioning and needs to be treated a lot like afro hair in terms of products. The consensus from every hairdresser and most people we have ever met is look after, never change it, never dye it. I was asked from when she was about aged 2 if I highlighted it!?! Your MIL knows better, it is not as if she is not aware of her grand daughter's heritage. Is she a spiteful type or just generally clueless? Either way this is not okay.

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 11/08/2020 23:29

At the time I thought it was well intentioned. It wasn't, was it?

No, OP. They're just boring and a bit ignorant.

theresaplaceforus · 11/08/2020 23:30

This is flat out racist remark @AbsolutelyPositively although it might not mean that your MIL is actually racist - unless of course there have been other comments etc
I myself am mixed race - same combination as you, my mum told me, when I was born, my white grandfather said ‘oh good she’s got straight hair’ well after a few years it curled right up! That grandfather didn’t have a racist bone in his body - and proudly introduced by black mother as his daughter to anyone and everyone - it’s just sometimes people really don’t get it and these little comments, which we know are racist make sense in their heads.
I’d certainly have a conversation with her around why Afro hair is of such an issue to her and establish that both of your DC do indeed have beautiful hair.
I’m expecting a baby girl at the moment, also with a white partner and I’m so exciting to see what surprises genetics will bring!

theresaplaceforus · 11/08/2020 23:31

@AbsolutelyPositively I’ve just seen the comment about the ‘English meal’ and I’m now leaning towards taking a much more direct stance with her - one comment could be given the benefit of the doubt!

WhatifIfeellikeacat · 11/08/2020 23:34

Next time your MIL says something about the afro hair, just ask, "what's so wrong with having afro hair?" Don't be afraid, just ask.

RedRumTheHorse · 11/08/2020 23:39

@WhatifIfeellikeacat

Next time your MIL says something about the afro hair, just ask, "what's so wrong with having afro hair?" Don't be afraid, just ask.
^This

Until you do and get a satisfactory answer please don't leave that woman with your children while you or any of your relations on your side of the family are not present.

LoveSummerNotIcecream · 11/08/2020 23:41

I’m not sure why you’re being so polite to her. She needs to know that if she wants a relationship with her grandchildren she needs to bite her tongue and educate herself. By not challenging this EVERY TIME she says something racist in front of your children, you are teaching them that this is acceptable. It’s not. You need to stick up for yourself and your children. Your DH needs to too.

willstarttomorrow · 11/08/2020 23:43

Your MIL is racist, slow typer so you have updated since. Having mixed raced kids is so bloody tough in ways people do not get. They are not black enough, they are not white enough- hard to fit in anywhere when it comes to identity. They should at the very least not have to have this struggle within their own family.

Wavescrashingonthebeach · 11/08/2020 23:44

What a vile woman. Afro hair is beautiful and im sure your DC are beautiful regardless of hair texture. Id be telling her in no uncertain terms one more comment like that and she wouldn't be seeing either of them again.

MMN123 · 11/08/2020 23:46

I think you and your husband really need to supervise all their interactions in the presence of your children very closely and make sure if they hear anything negative - like the comment about afro hair - they immediately hear it counteracted by you and your husband both by refuting the negative statement (whatever it is) by saying you think X is a good thing, or you consider Y to be beautiful and then immediately remove the children from the situation so you or your husband (ideally both if you can send the kids off with the other grandparent to do something) can tackle the remark there and then - no gently treading around it - say that what they said was racist and inappropriate and you would like an assurance they will never raise that topic in the presence of your children again. And just keep doing it. If they refuse or say you are making a fuss about nothing, tell them that unless they can give you an assurance, they will not be welcome in your home.

Zero tolerance. Doesn't matter if it comes from ignorance. If that's the case, they will soon learn. And if it's malicious, the sooner contact with your children is minimised, the less harm they can do them psychologically.