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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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Bbub · 12/08/2020 09:10

I'm really sorry you have such a shitty MIL. I would be absolutely raging and not ever let her have unsupervised access because God knows what she would say to them

Apolloanddaphne · 12/08/2020 09:16

Buy her a copy of Don't Touch my Hair by Emma Dabiri so she can understand the issues that surround people with afro hair and opinions of 'good hair' and 'bad hair'. It is a fascinating read and may make her better informed and less likely to spout her racist nonsense.

chargeorge · 12/08/2020 09:20

it depends on the kind of relationship you want to have with your MIL going forward. On one hand you can call her out on it in a nice gentle way and ask if she has an issue with any particular type of hair, on the other you could call her a racist and have a very frank discussion with her. Either way could lead to future good or bad relationships, depending on how it goes.
However, she does seem to have some kind of problem with it and you need to say something or it will stay as a problem between you and her.

AriesTheRam · 12/08/2020 09:21

Has she got a problem with you because you're mixed race? She sounds very racist imo

Bbub · 12/08/2020 09:24

I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt at all, and be very protective of your DC and yourself. It's unacceptable.

I hope your DH is educated about racism so he can understand the importance of these things, of calling them out and protecting his family from it.

TheSockMonster · 12/08/2020 09:25

It’s racist, whether from a place of ignorance or not, and it’s also bloody rude.

I suppose you could reassure her that if any of her GC have afro hair you can teach her to care for it, but given that’s it’s not a one-off comment I do think that a direct conversation is more appropriate. Preferably one lead by your DH (what does he make of it all?)

My DH’s grandmother has made some really ignorant comments about some of her great-GC but in her case it’s an ignorant sort of racism and never said in front of them, so we’ve just gently but firmly pulled her up on it (in her case it comes from a fear that they’ll be at a disadvantage, I say things like “yes their skin is beautiful, but it won’t matter if it does get darker because nowadays everyone knows that dark skin is just as beautiful as light skin”)

CorianderLord · 12/08/2020 09:26

Tell her to stop being racist.

Thepearofwisdom · 12/08/2020 09:31

Without a doubt this is racist and needs to be challenged. Ignorance or malice doesn't matter, she is othering you and your children and needs to stop.

I know this so certainly because as a white woman with vaguely wavy hair, I have a daughter with very very curly hair, as a toddler it was a mass of curls round her face, I got nothing but positive comments about her curls, stopped by strangers in the street. I had to learn a whole different hair care routine as I knew nothing about curly hair, but no one has ever once made a comment about how difficult her hair must be to manage, how much time it must take etc, this is because she is white and thus not perceived as other or 'exotic'.

fuckingcovid · 12/08/2020 09:35

Your Dm is right, they are racist. Maybe ask dh to speak to his parents and stop with the comments?
They are clearly anxious your Dc don't have black elements to their appearance, as they think it's somehow 'less than' ☹️

IsabelleACNH · 12/08/2020 09:38

NC for this.

My brother (white) and his partner (half-Spanish, half West Indian) have two children, now in their mid-teens. My brother used to have thick curly hair, that was blond when he was little. My neice and nephew were born with blond hair, that turned brown later, and that is still always very curly, but quite course and needs constant brushing and styling. Their mum has course dark hair, but straight, not Afro. She has taught them both how to handle their hair.

My parents didn't like my brother having kids with his partner. They said the curly hair came from our side of the family ignorant of the course texture. They said that their grandkids were half-spanish half-English, basically denying their grandad's heritage. Their mum is good at telling them about the island their grandad came from, and they visit their nan in Spain as much as they can. (Grandad passed away a few years ago) But when the kids talk about their WI grandad my parents change the subject. They did meet a couple of times but my parents didn't like him. Don't know why, other than they are racist.

Sometimes the facts just stare at you plainly.

grey12 · 12/08/2020 09:42

I just worry about your DD. Funny comments like that can impact how a small girl sees herself and give her less confidence growing up.

Hope the situation dies down fast!

FrenchtoEnglish · 12/08/2020 09:43

Say : "The only thing I'm worried about is that they'll end up with personalities like yours, but we'll do our best to avoid it."

Cosmos45 · 12/08/2020 09:43

Racist without a doubt. Awful behaviour IMHO

Isthisnothing · 12/08/2020 09:51

Oh my god I think you have been incredibly well restrained. I would have been furious at the first remarks. How dare she?

I think I would have to say it.

"I wanted to address the comment you made the other day. I found it racist and offensive." Then just close your mouth and wait for her to respond.

msflibble · 12/08/2020 09:54

Your MIL is being deeply insensitive and basically racist. Afro hair is awesome and it wouldn't be a problem if your kids did have it. Your DH needs to have a word and let her know that her comments are completely out of order.

SisyphusAndTheRockOfUntidiness · 12/08/2020 09:55

She's racist. She's one of those people who generally believe that afro hair types should be straightened because that's the norm for white people. Straight hair is fine, but it sounds like a massive hassle if your hair isn't naturally straight, TBH. Afro hair looks awesome & your MIL sounds like someone who won't be a positive or nourishing influence on your DC as they grow up.

drspouse · 12/08/2020 09:57

I would make FIL a plain salad for his birthday meal "not too rich, just how you like it".

SisyphusAndTheRockOfUntidiness · 12/08/2020 09:59

Maybe she’s panicky that she doesn’t know what to do with Afro hair? It takes more work, special brushes etc and is treated completely differently isn’t it? Maybe as she has no experience with this type of hair she maybe thinking about looking after grandkids and not knowing what to do to care for Afro hair?

My DD has immensely thick, curly hair. I have relentlessly straight hair. Through the power of the internet, I figured it out!

chubbyhotchoc · 12/08/2020 10:01

It does sound like she has an issue. But if you say to her as others have suggested ' what would be the issue with Afro hair?' You may know better. She might just think it's difficult to look after and wouldn't know herself how to deal with it or she might have set unhealthy ideas about attractiveness. My own mother is a bit obsessed with hair in general. Mainly because her own is thin and lanky. She had told me repeatedly that she was beyond disappointed that i inherited her hair and skin tone and not my dads afro hair ( which she hoped would be watered down to a nice curl) and dark skin. She monitors my own dd's hair every time we see her for any sign of a curl as well.

Thuglife · 12/08/2020 10:05

Yup definitely racist. Black women particularly are subjected to all manner of crap around their hair. Natural Afro hair is somehow viewed as too ghetto hence the desire to relax the life out of it. I love the song by Erykah Badu “Hair”- worth a listen for anyone as it beautifully describes quite how deeply racism is entrenched around the idea of White hair good Black hair bad.

StatementKnickers · 12/08/2020 10:09

Unbelievably rude and ignorant especially as you yourself have Afro hair! Not to mention the comment about FIL's birthday. Call her out on it. By the way you have probably already tried but conditioner spray and tangle teezer might help you brush DD's hair with less drama...

Chochito · 12/08/2020 10:11

Your MIL is a racist idiot. Personally I would call her out on it.

HipsDoLie · 12/08/2020 10:27

If you and your DH are challenging and correcting her every time she says shit like this and she’s still carrying on - time to have a direct conversation with her about it. She needs to understand that it’s not OK and that these sorts of comments are damaging to her grandchildren. If she wants a relationship with them, she has to stop.

I’ve had this situation around my DC when they were babies, but the comments were actually coming from some of DH’s older family members, who are black Caribbean. They are hung up on hair textures and skin tones and whether features are European or African - the white beauty ideal runs strong - and they made some comments about my baby daughter being ‘lucky to be lighter than her big brother’, but ‘a shame she got a black nose / Afro hair, whereas he has wavy hair and more of a button nose’. I challenged politely a few times, but in the end DH had to have a stronger word with them because we refuse to have our DC grow up around this attitude towards blackness.

AbsolutelyPositively · 12/08/2020 10:32

@FrenchtoEnglish

Say : "The only thing I'm worried about is that they'll end up with personalities like yours, but we'll do our best to avoid it."

I really like this response 

@IsabelleACNH that is really disgusting Shock I'm really appalled by that. If they were confronted they'd probably make up some half arsed excuse or claim it's a generational thing. I'm glad they have you for an aunt x

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Fletchings · 12/08/2020 10:36

She is a racist, nothing else. I would not want her close to my children. I would tell her straight that her attitude is unacceptable. Where is your DH in this?