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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

OP posts:
alexdgr8 · 11/08/2020 23:47

@81Byerley

When she asked what you would do if the baby turned out to have afro hair, I'd have been tempted to say, "Oh well, if that happens, obviously we'd have to have the baby put in a home so we could try again in the hopes of getting one with proper hair". Your Mother in law is very definitely racist. You should definitely call her out on it.
this is very good. try something like this, in a flat tone, and see how she reacts.
Rainallnight · 11/08/2020 23:49

I’m raging your behalf, OP. She sounds awful.

MMN123 · 11/08/2020 23:50

@WhatifIfeellikeacat

Next time your MIL says something about the afro hair, just ask, "what's so wrong with having afro hair?" Don't be afraid, just ask.
But not with your children present.

In their hearing, just say something fairly light, like 'don't be so silly granny, all types of hair are beautiful' while giving her a filthy look so she doesn't reply. Then get the children out of earshot and tell her it was inappropriate and say that she must never make negative comments like that around your children.

Persistence is the key.

crimsonclover · 11/08/2020 23:50

Absolutely not!! I would find this incredibly
offensive and quite disgusting. It’s not only
harmful to you but to your children. My
own MIL is racist (I believe, given the many things she has said). Although myself and my husband are white, at one point in our past we were seriously considering adoption. During the discussion we discussed whether we would adopt a child of a different race than ourselves and we decided we wouldn’t - not because it would be an issue for us but because we didn’t feel it fair to the child to have a racist grandparent. Children are incredibly perceptive to these comments and I really think it wouldn’t be unreasonable to tell her not to say these things in front of your children. My daughter is very young and has brown hair and eyes - she has already started talking about wanting to have golden hair like the Disney princesses she sees on TV. I’ve made an effort to really actively compliment the princesses with dark hair/skin/eyes but the message has been absorbed. Don’t underestimate the effect those comments have on your kids. Ignorant or not - she needs to be educated.

Mummyoflittledragon · 11/08/2020 23:52

Is she one of those people, who has to say something. She’s repeating herself and it sounds like her world is really really small. I have voted yanbu. I suppose you confront or ignore. I’m sorry she’s causing you so much upset. It may be racism or she could be so small minded these days.

For some reason certain grandparents think they own their gcs. My mother commented about the hairs on dds back when she was a newborn and how she will hate them and they will hopefully go. 🙄 Funnily enough my dd couldn’t give a fig about arm pit and leg hair. I’m sure that will change as she’s only 12.

areyoubeingserviced · 12/08/2020 00:03

Your MIL is out of order and the statement she made has racist connotations.
I would definitely confront her about her negativity regarding Afro hair. The concern is that your dc will become aware of her negativity which could result in them having issues with their black side

Serin · 12/08/2020 00:03

Your DD does not need this negativity in her life. You are going to have to stand up to your MIL and tell her why her comments are offensive.

Italiangreyhound · 12/08/2020 00:07

So sorry this is horrible for you and for the kids if they hear this. I think I would tell her straight, Afro hair is fine, and please don't talk about Afro hair being a negative thing around the kids or me. Thanks

ConfusedDotCom123 · 12/08/2020 00:07

“Mother in law (-gasp-)!, this is not something someone educated like you would say. I expected better!”

If you feel like it, also kiss the lips and do the head dance in disapproval.

What she said was racist.. but could be coming from a place of ignorance or racism..

What she said is also incredibly personal and offensive in every background and culture, and so she is either being malicious or incredibly insensitive to your feelings.

I suspect this isn’t the first time or the last time as it sounds like she is one hell of a character.

So you are going to have to adapt, to be able to respond and stand your ground and not let her be insensitive or malicious, ignorant not racist around you.

Absolutely highlight these traits:

“Did you mean to hurt my feelings? Or is it that you’re not putting much thought into how you say things ?”

“I’m your daughter in law and won’t judge you? But don’t say that to anyone because they will think you are either very ignorant or very racist mother in law and I’m just looking out for u”

Italiangreyhound · 12/08/2020 00:08

Actually rather than fine, it's beautiful, wonderful, it's you and your mum and she needs to know her comments are hurtful.

Katypyee · 12/08/2020 00:16

Your MIL is racist. I am frankly pretty grossed out that 4% of MN members think YABU to be honest.

Next time she comments, just ask her what exactly her problem is with afro hair.

Also, ask you DH to step up and speak up to his DM and let her know that her comments are not welcomed and absolutely unacceptable.

Angell78 · 12/08/2020 00:21

Apologies if this has been mentioned previously by anyone else but yes I agree that she does come across as very ignorant, however could this be coming from the fact that she doesn’t understand fully what Afro hair is? (‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’) Do maybe you or your DM straighten your hair rather than wearing it natural? Or have you or your DH ever indicate that to manage your own hair it requires more care than the average Caucasian Granny wash and blow dry? I would try to educate her from a non confrontational perspective to start and work your way up if she just isn’t getting it. When I look back on things my own parents have said about my daughter I have cringed at times with regards to political correctness and corrected them. However, out of all their grandchildren she is the only child of colour and they absolutely dote on her and she knows full well she is ‘favourite grandchild’. I do have to remind myself at times that it’s not come from a nasty place but a lack of understanding and it’s my job to put them straight.

PickAChew · 12/08/2020 00:24

MIL are out of order.

You should probably only brush their hair wet, with lots of conditioner in for slip, mind.

Enough4me · 12/08/2020 00:32

She sounds like a controlling, ignorant and selfish person. Your DC hair is their beautiful hair whether fine and straight, or curly, or afro, or changes as they grow, and that is how she should see it.

You and your DH need to have an agreed response and he should communicate this clearly to her without your DC overhearing first, e.g. call to say you do not want any of their features discussed negatively. Do not explain why as you really should not have to!

bevelino · 12/08/2020 00:36

OP your MIL is blatantly racist and I hope you don’t leave your children in her care.

SemperIdem · 12/08/2020 00:50

She’s a raging racist. That type of racism is what is so common in the UK, it is sly and insidious.

Ditheringdooley · 12/08/2020 01:06

Just came to say racist is racist- whether coming from a ‘bad’ racist intent or ignorant repeating of tropes that Afro hair is harder/ worse/ less desirable- it’s racist.

Also came to say that your children hearing the message of ‘Afro hair is a bad thing’- that will mess them up. More wise posters above have given examples of how to handle this, but you need to give them a persistent message that all hair, Afro hair is beautiful etc.

I confess to wanting my daughter to get my husband’s straight hair rather than my own tight ‘ethnic’ curls. But I know that it internalised racism and not just the experience of years of trying to battle ‘frizz’ (it wasn’t frizz, just curl and texture). And now it’s thinning out I regret the things I did to it.

IdblowJonSnow · 12/08/2020 01:19

Definitely racist. Silly cow. Angry

I think you've been restrained too. But I think you should get your DH to deal with her, as she's his mum let him manage it. Don't bother with any passive aggressive remarks, be straight, "that's racist and offensive, dont make those comments again." Etc.

Duemarch2021 · 12/08/2020 01:21

I might be wrong.. but i would take that as... she thinks it might be hard to brush/ control afro hair and beleives that it will be easier for her to style etc if she hasn't got afro hair... (nothing to do with racism) but then again i could be being naive .. just an idea

Cissyandflora · 12/08/2020 02:18

@PickAChew

MIL are out of order.

You should probably only brush their hair wet, with lots of conditioner in for slip, mind.

MIL sounds racist and ignorant but this comment above is also offensive. Condescending and unsolicited ‘advice’ is often given about hair. I have had so many comments like this about my daughter’s afro hair.
dentydown · 12/08/2020 06:23

I’d be pointing out the Afro on the scan pictures. “Yes MIL, you can see the Afro in the ultrasound”

You are going to have to be a bit blunt with her and ask her if she has a problem with Afro hair/why does she keep asking? She may not think she is being racist going on about the hair, And you may have to put her straight on the matter.

I just wonder if she secretly wants a GC with Afro hair... Or she is making a clumsy attempt at trying to understand “mixed race”.

PlanDeRaccordement · 12/08/2020 06:27

@Spanglebangle

It may be ignorance rather than racist. She may think afro hair is difficult to style and look after. Maybe she thinks it would be easier for them if didn't have afro hair. I think a rational conversation about her issues around afro hair and asking her to keep her comments away from the children would be sensible.
This is my impression, as I do tend to think best of everyone unless proven otherwise beyond all doubts. You won’t know without having a direct conversation about hair with MIL whether it is ignorance or racism.
Midsommar · 12/08/2020 06:37

OP yours and your DD's hair sound like a dream! I have thin hair so would kill for your beautiful thick locks. I really don't understand your MIL at all - as others have said you need to ask her outright what her problem is with Afro hair. I smell a racist to be honest Sad x

Gubbeen · 12/08/2020 06:39

I’d be very surprised if someone so obviously ignorant and implicitly disapproving had any black or mixed-race friends or the remotest knowledge of issues surrounding styling Afro hair, so I think that would be an extremely generous interpretation of her remarks.

Pinkyandthebrainz · 12/08/2020 06:56

I'm mixed race and you do sound quite naive OP. I'm surprised you've let some of these comments slide. You're going to have to start calling them out everytime or your children won't thank you later. You said you don't expect much from your in-laws. How about basic respect, understanding, open-mindedness and anti-racism? Is that really so much to ask? God help my in-laws if such comments were made, they'd soon know about it.

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