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Comments about DD’s hair texture

323 replies

AbsolutelyPositively · 11/08/2020 22:39

Inspired to ask after following another thread. I’ll start by giving context:

I’m mixed race. My mother is black Caribbean and my father was white British. I very much have Afro hair, it’s just like my mother’s. My husband is white British. We have two DC, and genetics are a strange thing indeed. DS has strawberry blonde hair that is curly and very fine. DD has rich dark brown hair that is long, curly and is much thicker than DS’s hair. Neither of them have Afro hair, however.

Since finding out I was pregnant, MIL regularly asked DH what he would do if ‘they came out with Afro hair?’. He would typically shrug this off as ignorant and tell her that it wouldn’t bother him either way. After they were born, MIL would sometimes assess their hair and in a panicked tone say ‘I think it’s gonna turn Afro’. Again, we told her that wouldn’t be a problem for us, so not to worry.

Fast forward to three days ago. PIL were visiting. I was getting DC ready to go for a walk. I brushed DS’s hair (we haven’t had it cut yet because he likes to be able to have it brushed alongside his sister). Then I brushed DD’s hair. That’s a bit more of a task because it’s thicker, it can get a bit tangled, she struggles and pulls away. MIL is sitting next to me while I’m doing this, watching the struggle, and says to me ‘So does she have the Afro hair then?’. In exactly those words.

I wasn’t rude or anything. I said no, I explained that her hair texture is nothing like mine or my mother’s. She said ‘Oh, that’s good, that’s alright then’.

It really irked me. It made me feel a lot more annoyed than I’d felt before about all of this. Later, when I was talking to my DM I told her about this and DM was very upset. She said that she’s worried about DC growing up around a family that is so ignorant, and she believes they are racist. She mentioned that she thought they were racist before and hadn’t told me so as not to upset me.

I’m very interested to know what other people think. What are people’s thoughts? Am I BU for feeling annoyed at this?

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adriennewillfly · 12/08/2020 07:03

I would be playing with her on this. For example, tell her that you're going to get it chemically treated to turn it more "afro". But it's going to be permanent.

pipnchops · 12/08/2020 07:16

YANBU but I am not sure I'd immediately worry your MIL is racist, at best she is just ignorant and insensitive but this needs this to be pointed out and challenged by your or DH before your DC start taking to much notice of her comments. It must be really upsetting for you and she needs to know that. Incredibly rude and insensitive.

lilgreen · 12/08/2020 07:17

It irked you??? I'd have been furious. She’s a racist. I wouldn’t have her around the children until you’ve both had a serious talk with her about why her comments are unacceptable.

Itisbetter · 12/08/2020 07:23

My children are mixed race too. It’s frankly weird when you start noticing that your friends/family have odd ideas and their comments show their attitude. I think it’s because you married each other and have your beautiful children so you assume everyone feels like you.

I personally just keep responding with “Well we obviously like XXX.” or “why would that be a negative thing?” Type responses. It makes them feel uncomfortable having to explain. I’d like to say it makes them rethink but I think honestly they just avoid saying those things so they don’t have to feel uncomfortable.
One (very) close family member I just avoid seeing. The racism is just one of the issues in that situation though.
Horrid for you both. Brew

SentientAndCognisant · 12/08/2020 07:25

Most grans are adoring and proud of their gc and their physical appearance
Making derogatory comments about hair is really unpleasant,and unnecessary
She needs to revise her comments and work on her comments eg why she thinks this
How Would she react to you and/or husband challenging her. I appreciate you’re pg a and don’t need additional stress

Congratulations on baby btw

Abitouting · 12/08/2020 07:31

You must pull her up on it OP. Simple question "why would it be an issue"

It's been mentioned more than once now. Chances are she could say something when the children are old enough to understand which isn't far off really. Silly woman.

FlySheMust · 12/08/2020 07:31

I don't think SiL was being racist about the food. That came from a place of concern for her father and to avoid potential embarrassment.

MiL is an odd one. Does she look after them ever? Is she worried about dealing with it? My mother said she hoped my DC didn't have my hair - wavy thick uncontrollable- as it came through. He did, sadly.

I'd ask her some searching questions.

cdtaylornats · 12/08/2020 07:43

Some time ago there were threads on here saying how hard it was to find a hairdressers with experience in Afro hair and how difficult it was to get hair products - perhaps she is picking up on that.

2ruddyhot · 12/08/2020 07:54

I would be asking her what her problem is with the hair and why she sees it as a negative rather than just different to her own?
It would really really p me off in the same circs

Bobojangles · 12/08/2020 07:56

Your MIL sounds like a racist prick, you've done well to be this patient with her after so many awful comments!

As a side note I've also got fine super curly hair, you might find it much easier on you daughter if you only comb in when wet. Have you heard of the curly girl method? I only half follow it but I've actually mostly given up combing my hair (except with fingers in the bath) and it's much better for it !

EmberElftree · 12/08/2020 07:59

Your husband needs to tell her very clearly that her unacceptable remarks stop immediately. Going forward, if she continues, you and your husband need to decide what to do if she will not stop and how much, if any, you want her having access to the children. Good luck!

TheAquaticDuchess · 12/08/2020 08:01

YANBU - that’s incredibly rude and racist. Just because your MIL is too ignorant to understand or appreciate Afro hair doesn’t give her the right to express her shitty anxieties about it. I would get your DH to have a word and explain why her comments are racist and inappropriate. If she means no harm she’ll be receptive to the lesson, and I agree with your mum that it needs nipped in the bud before she says anything else inappropriate in front of your children.

DocOfTheBay · 12/08/2020 08:19

“You seem to have some issue over Afro hair. Your grandchildren are mixed race, I have Afro hair, their other grandmother has Afro hair. I think it is important that they do not grow up with negative ideas about racial characteristics. Can you explain to me why you keep mentioning it? / can you drop it?”

Or “Actually it’s quite rude to keep being so negative about Afro hair, what is wrong with mine and my mother’s hair?”

On food “I am aware of his favourite foods, thank you, I was planning steak and ale pie. Black people are capable of cooking as wide a range of food as anyone else”

She sees blackness before she sees you.

DocOfTheBay · 12/08/2020 08:27

don't think SiL was being racist about the food. That came from a place of concern for her father and to avoid potential embarrassment

Yes she was. She could have said “ lovely! Oh, by the way, are you aware of all of FILs food preferences?”

“‘Something English’ as opposed to “all that rich food “ is setting ‘English’ food against any other national cuisine and assuming that the OP would be cooking from an African / Caribbean menu. It is assuming that her blackness will inevitably define her cooking, even though she is v familiar with her FIL.

RomeoLikedCapuletGirls · 12/08/2020 08:36

FFS of course she’s racist. I’d be livid.

Afro hair is beautiful. And even if it weren’t that doesn’t make it something she should comment on.

That is some serious ingrained racism your MIL has. Call her out on it and get your husband to back you up.

drspouse · 12/08/2020 08:38

It's really hard in the moment though. My DD is mixed race, not Black though, and if people say things like "she's not that dark is she?" it's hard to reply when your mouth is hanging open!

NoSleepInTheHeat · 12/08/2020 08:41

Could she have seen the movies and articles describing how afro hair is harder to style and how women spend hours and £££ while destroying their scalp in the process?
Nothing to do with afro hair being beautiful or not, I imagine she was just wishing the easier option on her GC.

A friend of mine (white) has mixed race DC and she told me how hard it was with her DD’s hair and when she became pregnant with her second how she wished she inherits her hair. I really don’t believe she was being racist against her own DC! Just being honest that one is way easier than the other.

RomeoLikedCapuletGirls · 12/08/2020 08:42

I guess her comments weren't about the look of the hair but more about the maintenance, e.g. difficult to look after it.

Afro hair is made harder to look after if you apply straight hair principles to it.

malificent7 · 12/08/2020 08:44

Id cut her off personally.

RomeoLikedCapuletGirls · 12/08/2020 08:44

But even if it’s to do with maintenance you’d think a person would be savvy enough to know that dissing someone’s hair based on their heritage is an ignorant and hurtful thing to do.

Chanjer · 12/08/2020 08:48

She's a fucking idiot

Ohtherewearethen · 12/08/2020 08:49

I really don't think your husband is doing enough to stand up for you and your children. I think it's time to call this what it is - racism - and tell them that enough is enough. I don't buy the 'ignorant not malicious' excuses. Once possibly but you educate yourself. These are their grandchildren. I'd think very carefully about whether I'd want my children around them to be honest.

Tunnocks34 · 12/08/2020 08:56

Yanbu at all. I’m sorry you’re having to put up with that.

I remember being pregnant with my first son and my MIL asked me ‘if my baby would come out looking Asian’ and when they were born looking near completely Caucasian she said ‘oh they are white - you can’t even tell at all luckily’

As they have grown, my oldest and youngest have olive coloured skill but my MIL constantly says ‘the dark skin looks nice on them as they have blonde hair and blue eyes’ like it doesn’t look nice on me with my black hair!

QueenArseClangers · 12/08/2020 09:04

Who the fuck voted YABU???!!

Call her out on it OP Flowers

ThisLittleLady · 12/08/2020 09:07

Maybe she’s panicky that she doesn’t know what to do with Afro hair? It takes more work, special brushes etc and is treated completely differently isn’t it? Maybe as she has no experience with this type of hair she maybe thinking about looking after grandkids and not knowing what to do to care for Afro hair? Either that or she’s just an idiot, or she racist.