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Maintenance money

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Spinachfinger · 24/07/2020 02:21

I'm ready to be told AIBU here but just wondering what others think.

My ex pays maintenance money for my son of £160 per month.

His job means he gets most of the summer holidays off work. Since lockdown in march I have had sole responsibility for my 2 DC (oldest one isn't my exes).

I have been furloughed til the end of july and am going back to work in August. My ex will have both children whilst I am working and he is off.

Since having the boys at home with me full time since March, suffice to say, my bills have gone up (use of tv, computer, note use of oven,washing machine etc), my food bills have increased with the kids being at home all the time and I have bought the majority of the school uniforms etc for september. Ex has been steadily paying me £160 pm all this time. All good.

Today (yesterday) I wake up to a text from him saying "Do you think it's right I should be paying you £160 for august when I will be having them whilst you're at work? You food bill will be smaller and my costs will go up with extra food and days out etc. Should you not be paying me £160 instead?".

I was a bit taken aback to be woken up by this text.

He mentioned a couple of weeks ago that he would pay me maintenance money for July and August. He said that he would pay me £100 on the 16th July and the remaining £220 at the end of july which would cover July/August maintenance payments. He also said on top of this he would go halves on the school uniform costs.

The 17th of July came and he had transferred £60 to my account. I asked him what this was for and he said for maintenance and that he would pay me the rest at the end of the month. I mentioned to him that he agreed to put £100 in and pay £220 at the end of the month. He said "yes sorry I forgot, do you want £40 now?". I said no, just pay £260 at the end of the month instead if its easier. He accepted this, I have it in my text messages.

So I don't get why he has shifted the goal posts with his text this morning. And the way he worded sounded argumentative to me.

A further thing is that he lives with his mum and dad and pays them no rent whatsoever. His outgoings are minimal. My money has been going out of my account like no tomorrow with food and bills, plus school uniforms etc. He is bringing in a full time wage and pays next to nothing out of it.

What does the MN jury think? Should I pay him £160 if he has them over August? Even if we have pre agreed something else? I will still be having the kids at the weekends and it is only for 4 weeks that he will have them then they are my full time responsibility again when school starts.

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Spinachfinger · 24/07/2020 09:35

A lot of replies, than you cor taking the time to respond.

To clarify a few points. Ex and I lived together for a number of years. Eldest child sees ex as his dad. Ex has treated him no different to his biological son.

To those asking if about lockdown - ex has been to visit the kids here a few times when the restrictions eased. It's only since the end of june he has started to take the kids on friday night as i needed a break. Since we split up at the end of last year he has always had the kids on the friday night/saturday day time. This is our usual set up.

He is coming up today so we can out logistics etc. He lives 20 miles away so when he does have the kids he will be having them overnight. But I will obviously have them maybe one night at the weekends again.

I will take these posts onboard and hope we can agree a compromise when he comes over today.

The kids really do miss him, it will be good for them to spend some quality time with him.

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LakieLady · 24/07/2020 09:38

He's taking the piss. Does he think you can rent out their bedrooms while they're with him or something?

mamas12 · 24/07/2020 09:39

Do not pay him, that money is for you to maintain the dcs lifestyle and that means paying the bills so they have a roof over their heads

RandomMess · 24/07/2020 09:39

I would work out how many overnights he's missed just so you have the facts.

Is it actually going to be him paying increased food costs/utilities? I would ask for the money and then actually give some of to his parents...

If you think he will actually take the DC out and about and spend more on them for day trips and he is short on funds you could agree that less maintenance is helping towards him treating them.

PleasePassTheCoffeeThanks · 24/07/2020 09:50

If he is looking after your son for a whole month for free I would waive the maintenance for the month - any other childcare would cost so much more!

EmbarrassedUser · 24/07/2020 09:55

These posts make me so furious. @Spinachfinger You can guarantee that any poster who is in support of you paying your ex is either an NRP themselves or the partner of an NRP. That money is not just for food. It goes towards the rent/mortgage of the bigger home you need, the higher council tax bill you pay, more electricity used. These are hidden costs that NRPs don’t seem to consider as their responsibility and believe me I know. Firstly as a person with a feckless ex and also secondly as someone who worked for the CSA for years who heard these crappy excuses time after time,

Do Not Pay Him. He needs to step up to the plate, just like you have during the pandemic.

Spinachfinger · 24/07/2020 10:01

@dontdisturbmenow

Most people who've been furlough Ink ow have saved quite a lot. No cost for entertainment, activities, transport, petrol etc...

He does have a point to some extent, that his costs are definity going to go up a d he is helping a lot by looking after a child he isn't responsible for.

But so petty to raise the issue the way he has unless he raised it before and you ignored him.

He has never mentioned it til that text, hence I was taken aback by it.

He stipulated how he would pay the maintenance for July and August. I agreed when. When he paid the incorrect amount, I said no bother, just make up the rest at the end of the month. Then I get that text a week later. He sent it to get a reaction out of me admittedly, but I'm sticking to the facts of the matter rather than the weird game playing.

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Spinachfinger · 24/07/2020 10:07

[quote lyingwanker]@Delaberge surely that works both ways then? OP has had their child 100% of the time for the entire lockdown and had not received an extra penny off ex. It doesn't seem like she expected extra though and neither have I in the same situation. However, ex IS expecting payment to look after HIS OWN child throughout the day. I totally agree that his costs for the other child should be covered, that's a big ask but we don't know the situation. Maybe he brought the child up from being a baby and so feels just as close?

When people babysat my youngest 2 whilst I worked I would often send them with a pack up so it didn't cost them anything extra.

For what it's worth I think he's being very money grabbing. Fair enough if he wants his additional costs for the eldest covering but for him not to pay any maintenance is taking the piss. That is, unless he is having the children 100% of the time for a month, including overnights?[/quote]
Yes he has brought eldest up since being a baby.

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RandomMess · 24/07/2020 10:09

Would be interesting if you said "I can't afford to pay the rent/mortgage and council tax without the maintenance. Will you look after them full time if I have to sell up?"

Spinachfinger · 24/07/2020 10:15

@RandomMess

I would work out how many overnights he's missed just so you have the facts.

Is it actually going to be him paying increased food costs/utilities? I would ask for the money and then actually give some of to his parents...

If you think he will actually take the DC out and about and spend more on them for day trips and he is short on funds you could agree that less maintenance is helping towards him treating them.

His mum and dad buy the food shopping. If ex wants other things he will buy them himself. It doesn't cost ex a penny to be there. Truthfully any money I pay should go to his parents.
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Mydogisthebestest · 24/07/2020 10:17

Legally though he has zero responsibility to your eldest.

HogDogKetchup · 24/07/2020 10:20

I’d snap his hand off for £160 for four weeks childcare for your eldest. I think if he just doesn’t pay you and you call it’s quits that’s fair.
I agree he still needs to pay maintenance but the fact he’s having your eldest too shows there’s some giving and taking from both sides.

WaterOffADucksCrack · 24/07/2020 10:21

Why is he having your child for a month that's not his? Some people really can't see outside of a nuclear family can they. If my partner and I split up he would absolutely have my oldest with the 2 youngest. Denying them both of their relationship would be so cruel. DP has done a million times more for him than his biological father.

Delaberge · 24/07/2020 10:21

@lyingwanker agreed it does.

We don't have enough info. If he missed a night a week x 12 weeks during lock down and is now having him 20 nights for aug plus the other child then op should pay. We just don't know

HogDogKetchup · 24/07/2020 10:21

Also - you need to disregard the fact it’s not his home. That’s largely immaterial to you. You have assumed he won’t be contributing to food etc. But your ex in-laws are showing incredible grace and goodwill in hosting both children. They don’t have to and it could easily be used as an excuse not to have the eldest.

Delaberge · 24/07/2020 10:23

@embarrasseduser the nrp also has to maintain a bigger house and associated costs for the time when they have the kids

RandomMess · 24/07/2020 10:26

My Ex Husband brought up my eldest as his from babyhood even though we split when she was 3. He is her Daddy!!!!

HogDogKetchup · 24/07/2020 10:27

People seem to be missing the point that he had chosen to look after OP’s eldest (sorry OP but you included) he could just wash his hands of him.
You’re happy for his parents to subsidise the children as though their expense is irrelevant.

Inthebleakmidwinteriwouldsing · 24/07/2020 10:31

@WaterOffADucksCrack

Why is he having your child for a month that's not his? Some people really can't see outside of a nuclear family can they. If my partner and I split up he would absolutely have my oldest with the 2 youngest. Denying them both of their relationship would be so cruel. DP has done a million times more for him than his biological father.
I know! And as if his parents should be congratulated for caring about the wellbeing of their grandchild’s sibling! Adults are meant to look out for children’s best interests. I don’t think there’s anything odd about wanting a child to feel like they are loved and wanted.
Spinachfinger · 24/07/2020 10:33

I have worked out, if I have done this right that he is having them 58 nights this year. The maintenance is calculated over the year based on 52 - 103 nights (iirc). So 160 would be what he would be paying to me anyway.

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HogDogKetchup · 24/07/2020 10:36

But what would you pay him for childcare? Your eldest has a cost associated with him for those 4 weeks too.
Strictly speaking he has two children and is only responsible for one. You are responsible for both so arguably you owe him some maintenance.

Spinachfinger · 24/07/2020 10:38

@HogDogKetchup

People seem to be missing the point that he had chosen to look after OP’s eldest (sorry OP but you included) he could just wash his hands of him. You’re happy for his parents to subsidise the children as though their expense is irrelevant.
Truthfully, no I'm not happy for them to subsidise my children but for as long as ex lives with them that's where they will end up staying. I would actually feel better if I made a contribution to them. EX has money to buy his own house but is choosing to stay put - his choice. I don't personally agree with him not contributing to his parents, I feel he takes the piss out of them but that's not my business. They are elderly.
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HogDogKetchup · 24/07/2020 10:39

That’s a fair comment OP. Do you know for sure he doesn’t contribute?

Mydogisthebestest · 24/07/2020 10:41

How many nights is he having your eldest for and does your calculation above include both children or just the one he is legally responsible for?

BluebellForest836 · 24/07/2020 10:49

Does your csa cal have 2 kids in it or 1?

To be honest I would ask for the Money he missed in July and half the uniform costs and then let him off the 160 for August.

He’s looking after a kid that’s not even his for a full month.