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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
whatswithtodaytoday · 22/07/2020 15:03

You can't possibly settle down with a man you feel uncomfortable with. Even if you hadn't said anything else - and they're is plenty there to make me run a mile - that in itself is more than enough reason to end it.

whatswithtodaytoday · 22/07/2020 15:03

*there not they're

Sidge · 22/07/2020 15:03

I’d end it.

He’s tight with money, he’s railroaded you into situations and you don’t feel fully connected.

But the dealbreaker for me is that he doesn’t make you laugh.

SmileEachDay · 22/07/2020 15:05

It sounds as though you’d really, really like to click with him, but you just don’t.

I’m not sure that “click” can be grown if it’s not there. Do you feel more connected now than initially?

You say you want to end it - do you think if you did end it you’d feel mainly relieved?

serenada · 22/07/2020 15:06

Before I continue I would like you to know that I am single, always. So, no great person for relationship advice, however...

I read all of your post and your 'bad' things section seems enough to go on alone but the most important thing and the second thing you mention is this:

I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time.

Says it all to me. The problem with instinct is you have to build up your trust in it - you won't always understand why it is screaming at you. It may be something else (with him, that is benign) but I don't think you should ignore it.

Pull back, give yourself breathing space - tell him that you want to figure things out. It does seem to me that you are fixated a bit on the timeline of relationship, children , etc (which I understand) but it still has to be with the right person not just the convenient one. Just because he ticks those boxes, doesn't mean he is right.

My parents always said that you are better off single than with the wrong person.

Which is probably why I am 40+ and currently single and staying with my parents Blush but there is a right balance out there to find.

Chocoholic12 · 22/07/2020 15:06

Run away..... always trust your gut.

Stringsattached · 22/07/2020 15:09

No way. Why oh why would you want to be with him?

MatildaTheCat · 22/07/2020 15:10

You haven’t even said you like this man never mind love him.

He ticks our box in that he wants to settle and have children. That’s not enough by a very long distance. He has issues and won’t make you happy. In fact he will probably make you exceedingly unhappy.

MsEllany · 22/07/2020 15:10

Why would you be willing to continue a relationship with a man you don’t feel comfortable with? I read to that part and no further because to me it’s madness that you would consider it.

Put simply - should you continue a relationship with a man you don’t like? Put like that, what do you say?

MatildaTheCat · 22/07/2020 15:10

One box not our box.

AryaStarkWolf · 22/07/2020 15:11

Yeah trust your gut, there's lots of stuff there besides your gut but I'll just pick out one - you don't have a laugh together, that's vital imo

Betteb · 22/07/2020 15:12

I appreciate that you are looking for someone to settle down with, but relationships are not supposed to be such hard work especially in the early days and this relationship sounds like it is very hard work for you.
The money situation would also ring alarm bells for me, I think you need to go with your gut on this op.

onedaysoonish · 22/07/2020 15:13

He doesn't make you laugh and makes you feel uncomfortable...

On the groceries, if he's paying for fun trips and lots of other stuff then I don't think that's an issue. But all the other stuff is!

skybluee · 22/07/2020 15:13

If you don't enjoy being around him that says it all for me. It all sounds a bit joyless tbh.

ChinUpChestOut · 22/07/2020 15:14

You've not got a sexual connection, you've not got the same sense of humour and you've not got the same outlook on money.

Three strikes and you're out. Move on.

HollowTalk · 22/07/2020 15:14

Oh come on, OP, this guy's terrible for you!

What kind of man expects you to pay to visit him and then buy all the food? A tight bastard, that's who.

It's not just that, though. You don't laugh when you're with him. He wants to talk about miserable things. He's blaming you for wanting more sex than he does. He's fucking weird about his family - he wanted you to hide????

Honestly, there isn't one good thing about this man. Let him go now and notice how your anxiety lifts.

Thinkingg · 22/07/2020 15:14

OMG, leave! Why on earth would you want to spend time in this situation?

"When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh"

"Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time"

"I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness"

"We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him"

:o This is not a relationship!

I have trauma in my past, my partner has had bad things happen too. We talk about it occasionally, when relevant, and support each other. But the majority of our relationship is joy in shared hobbies, playfulness, physical connection. Without those it would be a big raft of pointlessness and misery.

I'm really curious as to why on earth you would want to be in this situation. You're not obliged to stay with any random boyfriend who says he wants to settle down with you. Why not find someone you actually enjoy spending time with?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 22/07/2020 15:15

All that angst in your post.

Listen to yourself. Trust your instincts. You know this man won't bring you any joy.

Thinkingg · 22/07/2020 15:15

Sorry, that was meant to be Shock not Grin!

CoRhona · 22/07/2020 15:15

You hardly laugh?

That's enough of a reason for me. End it.

HollowTalk · 22/07/2020 15:15

And personally I thinks it's disgraceful that he brags about how much money he has while forcing you to pay for everything, when he knows he's richer than you. And to remind you to repay him!!! Arrgh, he's awful.

Viviennemary · 22/07/2020 15:16

He sounds awful. Get rid. What a meanie.

Smallsteps88 · 22/07/2020 15:16

No, you need to trust your gut. The only reason you’re trying to quash the gut feeling is you’re afraid to be left on the shelf past your child bearing years. But he is not your one.

FizzyPink · 22/07/2020 15:16

Two things stand out to me - The uncomfortableness and the money

There is absolutely nothing worse than a tight man. Do you go for meals at all and does he pay for these? What exactly are you doing during your long dates? You say he makes fun plans happen often but do you end up paying for these?

Don’t feel like you need to stay in this relationship just because he has lots of good points. You need to have fun and laugh with your partner and not feeling uncomfortable in his company

thepeopleversuswork · 22/07/2020 15:16

It feels like both of you are working to a strategic gameplan into which the other one fits, as opposed to reacting to an actual person. Like you both tick one another's boxes on paper but there's no real connection or chemistry.

I would find having that much discussion about the "work" element of a relationship that early on really quite deadening as well, to be honest. It feels like a project you're managing.

There can be work and planning in relationships but not this much this soon and not without joy and fun.