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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

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StartingAgain33 · 25/07/2020 08:14

huffy was unintentional, not intentional!

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Sacredspace · 25/07/2020 08:28

And this is the honeymoon period!

Shortfeet · 25/07/2020 08:29

@StartingAgain33

Farting as a litmus test?

What does that even mean ?

He farts - you object - you are the woman of his dreams?
Or
He farts - you don’t mind - NOW you are his dream woman .

Which one is it ?

Mother87 · 25/07/2020 08:37

Am struggling to see what the 'gift horse' is in this situation... You're simply not comfortable with this man - it sounds like low-level stress and anxiety-making now, which I believe only gets 'worse' with familiarity

JinglingHellsBells · 25/07/2020 08:43

I think posters ought to read the whole thread.

The OP has made her decision.

Can't see the need for more comments.

D4rwin · 25/07/2020 08:46

Walk away. You said in the 'good'
"He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)"
He's negging you isn't he? The same with being 'hypersensitive to rejection' he's using manipulation to keep you around. You say no he starts to express he feels rejected and then you're reassuring him no you're just saying no.

This sounds extraordinarily hard work for what should be the light hearted fun desperate to spend time together stage.

Trust your gut.

StartingAgain33 · 25/07/2020 09:05

Thanks @JinglingHellsBells, yes I definitely made my mind up ages ago! Thanks so much to everyone for their comments - this has been really really useful for me, and I feel like I know what I need to work on too so the next time I meet a douche bag like this I dont give him 3 dates, let alone 3 months!

Going to stop thread sitting now and I'll just update you once the deed is done. I cant wait, practicing what I'm going to say in my head!

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LannieDuck · 25/07/2020 13:46

Update: I texted asking if he wants to talk tomorrow, and he said that our text conversation (we had a very tense back and forth earlier where he basically said that paying me back wasn't an issue and that I should have spoken up earlier) had made him feel shit and he wanted some space, so could we talk next week (he's also away this weekend with friends).

This really sounds to me as if you've dared question him, and now he's going to make you feel bad for it.

jan9876 · 25/07/2020 14:07

If you want to be happy with someone you absolutely need to be 100% comfortable around them. I think you should listen to your gut before you get in too deep with this guy. I can't believe he is making you pay for everything, of course he must be aware of this. I also would worry about you feeling like you have to 'fix things' that don't feel right. Things shouldn't have to be fixed at this early stage, they should just be falling into place.

FizzyGreenWater · 25/07/2020 14:11

I cant wait, practicing what I'm going to say in my head!

But even that is wrong wrong wrong.

Don't make him more important than he is. He's an irritating bullshitter. You've decided he's history. Why give him airtime - because it WILL be airtime for him.

Boredbumhead · 25/07/2020 14:12

I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time.

He just sounds very very hard work and tight.

Don't bother! If it's that you want a child, try and go ahead without him or anyone else.

AnastarziaAnaqway · 25/07/2020 14:45

Good luck, you can do a lot better than him, you will feel a lot better once it's finished.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 25/07/2020 16:38

You don’t need his permission to chuck him. You can just text back now. Say it’s over thanks you wish him luck and can he please send the money by bank transfer. It’s like a plaster - best to rip it off fast. He doesn’t get to set the agenda here - you are in control!

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 25/07/2020 18:47

Well done for making a decision Op. Hope the conversation goes well - you're doing the right thing as he sounds like someone you need to run far away from!

HelloRose · 25/07/2020 19:08

I stopped reading when you said 'he made me settle up afterwards'. No OP, no no no.
There is nothing worse than a tight arse AND you don't laugh together. Laughter is the foundation of any solid relationship imo. You have to be able to have a laugh & be totally comfortable with your partner, it gets you through challenging times (like when kids come along, for example).
I don't want to sound cheesy but you know when you find the one. You don't question these things. He's not your one. Stop wasting your time.

(I offer this advice and someone who was single into my 30s and dated a lot of
terrible guys before I met my wonderful husband - I know the pressure to meet 'the one' and have babies).

HelloRose · 25/07/2020 19:14

Ah you've made your decision. Good luck

IfItWerentForYouMeddlingKids · 25/07/2020 19:22

You are clearly not compatible. End it.

Duemarch2021 · 26/07/2020 00:40

Nope! I really would not continue with this... you generally sound miserable and like you are paniking about not meeting someone in time to have children? You don't laugh togetehr... id say thats a main thing! He sounds like a bit of a nob if im honest, i mean he set you up when u didnt want to meet his parents and he makes you pay him back... nah hold out for a bit longer and you will find someone worth waiting for xxx

Neverforget2020 · 26/07/2020 06:11

You need someone with a sense of humour!

StartingAgain33 · 28/07/2020 19:48

Hi all, just an update - ended it with him today. He said he was sad as he thought I was amazing and really wanted to make a go of things, and felt we had a good connection and lots of lovely moments etc. He feels that he is not the kind to fall head over heels, but that given time once his anxieties died down we could have built something really good together.

He said that what I pointed out re the odd atmosphere was 'fair and true' because that is just the way he is in relationships because of his anxieties and relationship OCD, and he 'didn't want to drag me into his thrashing around in this realm of his life'. To be honest, I have quite similiar issues to him - I second guess everything and it ruins relationships - so both of us doing that just feels like it would have been a disaster.

He also said that because he finds relationships terrifying it's also a bit of a relief to break up, and he said he'd been thinking over the weekend about how it might be better to go back to just dating and take away the 'pressure' of 'the structure of a relationship' (whatever that means). That would have sent me a bit mad I think.

I hate it when people just throw around accusations of 'narc' but I looked up the symptoms of narcissism and he did seem to fit a lot of the criteria, so I think I may have really dodged a bullet here.

Not going to lie, I am feeling a bit sad. Which is only natural - he had many good qualities and we did have some really nice times and many lovely chats on the phone during lockdown which was a bit of a lifesaver.

But I'm glad I listened to my gut on this - I frequently ignore it. I DO have anxiety issues, but I don't think that was it - I think I was picking up on the potential for a very unhappy future. It's been really helpful to look through your comments when my resolve has weakened, so THANK YOU.

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StartingAgain33 · 28/07/2020 20:02

@Whathewhatnow

One thing that stands out from your posts OP is just how much thought you are giving him. Honestly, do you think he is ruminating over you and the whys and wherefores of why you guys have issues.? That is a harsh thing to say but it is something I came to realise too late in life. If one party is doing all the graft and all the ruminating and having the whole relationship dominate their thought patterns, whilst the other is not.... then it is a no go.
I definitely got the sense he had not been ruminating or worrying about this as much as me, even though he could probably feel this is coming. TBH, I think I'm one in a very long line of women who've called him up on his weirdness at this point (he confirmed this basically), so it's probably not a surprise and he says, a relief that it's over!
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Thinkingg · 28/07/2020 20:02

Glad to read your update!

They say people come into the life for a reason, for a season, or for a lifetime. You can acknowledge the good - you kept each other company through the lonely days of lockdown, had some nice moments and both learnt a little more about yourselves - and yet still know that this one isn't a lifetime person.

Keep up with the counseling and good luck for the future. Covid-permitting, maybe focus on having fun for a little while, and see where that leads you.

billy1966 · 28/07/2020 20:22

Not wishing to be trite OP, but learning to listen to your gut could add great value to your life, and might lesson your anxiety.

Anxiety is often a feeling of doubting yourself and not knowing which way to turn.

Having confidence in those gut feels can definitely be a salve for those nervous feelings of helplessness we can all feel at times in life.

Wishing you well.Flowers

ReadyForActionRyderSir · 28/07/2020 20:30

Just read your OP and came on to say the cons far outweigh the pros, money and intimacy points alone would make me end it so think you made the right decision.

StartingAgain33 · 28/07/2020 20:37

@billy1966

Not wishing to be trite OP, but learning to listen to your gut could add great value to your life, and might lesson your anxiety.

Anxiety is often a feeling of doubting yourself and not knowing which way to turn.

Having confidence in those gut feels can definitely be a salve for those nervous feelings of helplessness we can all feel at times in life.

Wishing you well.Flowers

You're right @billy1966 re anxiety.

My trick now is to notice anxiety and NOT see it as a sign that I'm not good enough for another person (my default position when I'm feeling anxious about someone) and instead that they are not right for me, and that that's where the second guessing comes from.

If I can let them go quicker, I can hopefully find the right one quicker also, instead of hanging on for dear life until I KNOW they're completely unsuitable (this can take me anything from a year to 3.5 years, usually, so this is great progress!)

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