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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
LittlefairyMum · 29/07/2020 20:47

Happy to read your update. I was one of the ones who suggested he was a Narcissist and to look up YouTube videos to help.

He reminded me so much of the last guy I dated who was a Narc.

The videos helped me heal.
My gut was like yours but I ignored it because I wanted it to work.
Eventually after 4/5 months of his mask slipping more and more each week, I finished it.

I felt sad too but I realised, it wasn't him I missed, he actually wasn't very nice company.

It was The company.

Hope this helps Daffodil

Whathewhatnow · 29/07/2020 21:44

Good luck to you, OP. And well done for pulling the plug. I think this is right. He wasn't he man for you.

I hope you have made a clean break from him. Don't be lulled into an ongoing friendship is my advice here.

Onward and upwards! And please dont crucify yourself about your supposed shortcomings in relationships. He won't be.

Narcissists are very, very, very, very hard to recover from. Keep reading about them....

ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 29/07/2020 21:46

Well done you did the right thing!

Whathewhatnow · 29/07/2020 21:59

I've just read back through your posts OP. This guy. Oh my goodness. He is a horror. Utterly clever and extremely manipulative.

Do yourself a favour and send him a message telling him to fuck off as far as the wind will carry him. I predict that at first you will feel guilty (he's damaged, he needs help) and then you will feel a bit relieved (I miss him but... hmm isnt it peaceful?!) and shortly thereafter (thank the FUCK for that... ) and finally.... (where is my money you prick??) Grin. You sound great. Like me though you need to raise your bar. Find someone who is mad about you and not just whilst they are lovebombing you.

cbt944 · 30/07/2020 00:55

HOORAY!

Sorry I monstered you earlier, but it was like reading a series of missives from Mrs Bluebeard:

He has a really nice castle, but something just doesn't feel right, however he is very well regarded and poor thing went to boarding school...

Read 'The Gift of Fear'. It's a really interesting, useful book.

I hope you do take my life tip and get yourself a stack of notepads and journal this shit out of your head. Also get yourself a little notebook and spend a month noting up all your good qualities as they spring to mind. Maybe get a better therapist...

Get your sense of self grounded in all you are (find out who you are, aside from a woman in a dubious relationship) and you will be less prey to such men, and you will be ready for your good, kind, available man - who will not behave like this, and who will not constantly make you second guess yourself. But being frantic to find 'the one' and not miss your childbearing window is making you accept and excuse some really upsetting stuff.

Life is too short to waste your pretty on these sub-optimal geezers. A little fallow period while you get yourself in better order will reap a better harvest later, though of course it's lonely and scary at times - still it's a lot less lonely and scary than waking up as Mrs Bluebeard down the line. Good luck with it all.

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