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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

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devuskums · 22/07/2020 15:39

He doesn't sound like the one for you. I think you need to cut your losses. There are a lot of things you have said that I couldn't live with for the rest of my life, like the no laughing and the uncomfortable feeling, and that you want more sex . Also he sounds tight rather than frugal and the business about meeting his parents was him not listening to you. Sorry op Flowers

Purpleartichoke · 22/07/2020 15:39

You should feel comfortable when spending time with the right person. Yes In early days there can be some nerves and awkward moments, but that sense of comfort and safety should be there too.

TheYellowOfTheEgg · 22/07/2020 15:39

It doesn't sound like much fun and I think the bad outweighs the good with this guy. Talking about his "issues" and his therapy sounds really boring.

Thinkingg · 22/07/2020 15:42

- He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist

If connection is stilted and conversation continually turns to trauma, he hasn't "done the work" - he's still in the middle of those issues.

"He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time"

He doesn't sound generous to me! He sounds like an utterly stingy show-off.

It sounds like he doesn't want love and a partner, he wants you to be his free live-in therapist, with potential future upgrade to free live-in childminder.

The80sweregreat · 22/07/2020 15:45

An acquaintance of mine has a partner who is very controlling with money and rarely makes her laugh. They have been married for years but she has spent a lot of this time feeling quite unhappy : she would never leave him , but the relationship is toxic and money is at the root of most of this and caused so much heartache.
Her family told her she lost her spark once she met him and I fear you might too if you continue to see this person.
He may have good points , most people do, but if your gut feeling is out of kilter then please listen to this. His letting you pay for everything: I don't see this as healthy and even if he wants children he seems the type who would expect you to work the same as he does and leave all the child care arrangements to you to sort out as well as expect it to cost about a tenner a week ... !
He sounds the type to not understand it's a joint venture having children or how much they cost! For years.
If your not comfortable with him it's best not to continue. Meet someone who will make you laugh and have a healthy relationship with money too.

Winterwoollies · 22/07/2020 15:46

What leapt our of this was that you both have therapists and you use a lot of clinical psych terms and so it’s possible you’re over analysing things.

However, I understand you’re anxious to get it right and anything that makes you uncomfortable is unlikely to change.

SilverOtter · 22/07/2020 15:48

Jeez, reading your post made ME feel unsettled OP!

I do think you should trust your gut.

A relationship between anxious and avoidant attachment types doesn't sound like a match conducive to happiness or good mental health for either of you. Ideally you both need relationships with someone securely attached (I'm speaking from experience of attachment issues).

rayoflightboy · 22/07/2020 15:49

It shouldnt be this hard op 3 months in to a relationship.

This is your honeymoon period,it should be filled with sex,dates,laughing.

Im reading it as a last chance to have a child relationship.Not fun and happy.

It sounds a miserable existence.

SeaState3 · 22/07/2020 15:50

It costs £80 to go and see him and then you have to pay for food Hmm

He doesn’t have to work (maybe he lives off benefitS or his mum gives him money)

Look at what he does not what he says (to mirror what you say)

StormTreader · 22/07/2020 15:52

Absolutely not. Theres no consideration from him at all that I can see about how you feel or what works for you.

He decided you should meet his family so he discounted that you didnt want to.
Hes happy for you to pay out loads of money, but when you say its his turn, he makes you "settle up".
Theres no sexual connection, and seemingly little emotional connection beyond "let me spill all of my trauma over onto you because thats cheaper than paying for a therapist".

I dont see what you're getting out of this at all beyond being able to check the box that says "not single".

Pan44 · 22/07/2020 15:52

He sounds very, very much like my exDH. I ignored my gut too. Tho to be fair I now have 2 lovely DCs and ex and I have managed to become friends. However, as a husband he was a nightmare. 2 things stand out to me due to my own experience - if he's struggling with intimacy now, that isnt going to get better, only much much worse. I was involuntarily celibate for the last 10 years of our relatiojship. It killed my self esteem. Second thing - when you have your deep chats, just check whether he is discussing just your issues and not his own. It took me years to see that our emotional chats were only about my hang ups - he was utterly unable to talk about his own in any depth. Ultimately it was his inability to deal with his own baggage that sunk us. I now feel that my stuff was used as a distraction from his.

back2good · 22/07/2020 15:54

He has your number.

He has actually primed you to not question him, not push for answers when things don't feel right, back-handedly criticised your sex drive so you feel in the wrong wanting to be close, not ask for him to cough up his share of expenses seeing each other (notice he didn't hesitate to ask you to 'settle up' the single food purchase he made for both of you all these months?) although he talks about how much money he has ... of course he does, your spending all yours to see him.

Run.

QueenJulian · 22/07/2020 15:55

He’s tight with money, not generous in bed, doesn’t make you laugh or even feel relaxed... no wonder your instinct is screaming at you. I imagine you would feel very lonely in your relationship with him, with or without children. You can do much, much better OP.

sqirrelfriends · 22/07/2020 15:55

Move on, trust your gut and don't waste your time with this one.

The money issue is separate but would drive me mad, does he honestly expect you to all the grocery shopping even though you've had to pay for train fare? Tight git.

back2good · 22/07/2020 15:55

Oh, and before you run, do a tally of all the food bills you've paid for and the travelling costs since you do all the travelling, and ask him for half.

Watched the feigned outrage and hurt.

Thislittlelady · 22/07/2020 15:56

Trust your gut. Every time.

GoldenZigZag · 22/07/2020 15:56

It reads to me as if you're considering selling for him because you're mindful of your age/ fertility.

But if that's the case you have to remember it's not just about you, it's about any children you might have with him. If he can't put his hand in his pocket for groceries I'd be worried that he wouldn't support you through maternity leave, or might leave you in the shit if you separated. He doesn't sound tactile or loving, in fact he sounds a bit joyless, not what I'd be looking for in a father.

And if it's like this now in the honeymoon period christ knows how bad it would be 5, 10 years down the line.

GoldenZigZag · 22/07/2020 15:57

*settling for him..

Tlollj · 22/07/2020 15:58

If he doesn’t make you laugh I think you’re on a hiding to nothing.
Plus if he’s tight. And a bit selfish in bed. And he makes you feel uncomfortable.
He’s good points are he quite like to have kids, maybe he knows what to say to a 36 year old woman who is freezing her eggs. Sorry if that’s harsh.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 22/07/2020 15:58

Relationships are fun not work!!!! He has completely done a number on you. Run!

CodenameVillanelle · 22/07/2020 15:59

He might be good on paper but he's definitely not the man for you. What a tight wanker.

Daffodilius · 22/07/2020 16:00

There's a complicated divorce waiting to happen right there. Run 🏃‍♀️

CannibalPanda · 22/07/2020 16:00

I think your gut is picking up lack of sexual interest IMO. I think his interests lie elsewhere.

HannahStern · 22/07/2020 16:01

Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable.

The one time he paid for groceries, he asked you to settle up with him afterwards?

Run for the hills.

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