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AIBU?

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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

OP posts:
AnyOldMorricone · 22/07/2020 16:36

@candycane222

Grin🙌

Getagripffs · 22/07/2020 16:36

I would also say that, from experience, and cracks in a relationship are torn wide open into chasms when you have kids. And you have far more than cracks in the relationship already.

chubbyhotchoc · 22/07/2020 16:37

I only skim read but the asking you to 'settle up' would be a deal breaker for me

EarlofEggMcMuffin · 22/07/2020 16:37

You're on edge around him= no- does not pass go
He wants you to pay for groceries after travelling to see him = no, dump
he's no fun = no
your gut is screaming = no

Campingintheraintoday · 22/07/2020 16:39

Tight in the bedroom and tight with his wallet..enough said with just that..
Ltb.

jackdawdawn · 22/07/2020 16:40

You're uncomfortable with him and he seems uncomfortable with you. Why did he want you to hide from his family?!

Sounds awful tbh. You're not right for each other, or it would feel right and you would not feel like this.

Thehop · 22/07/2020 16:40

I’d end it on any of those negatives by themselves. The letting you buy all his groceries is an absolute joke.

Walk away.

LonginesPrime · 22/07/2020 16:41

Uncanny, you say. Have you watched Frozen, where the creepy prince mirrors Anna's views deliberately, to hook her in to thinking they have a connection?

Yes, exactly.

In Frozen, it was also the fact that Anna was so starved of love and attention that she heard what she wanted to hear.

If you listen to the song "Love is an Open Door", the Prince doesn't even pretend to sing about Anna - he's just going on about how he's been dreaming of having his own kingdom and how he's fallen in love with her kingdom (hence the marriage proposal). Anna was the one who made it about love.

Obviously, Hans was a manipulative arsehole, but the signs were all there from the start for anyone who wanted to see them.

BrandyandBabycham · 22/07/2020 16:41

I’m with everyone else OP - you need someone who you can be yourself with. DH isn’t perfect but I have never laughed so much as when I’m with him & he’s my favourite person to just hang out with. We’re like a couple of kids! Please go with your gut instinct!

BlackSwan · 22/07/2020 16:41

I have problems with double negatives. You should trust your gut. Discount 1 AIBU vote.
I wouldn't trust this guy. He lived with someone he says he didn't love? What a dick.

Heartlake · 22/07/2020 16:42

I've been married years. Lots of ups and downs. LOTS. But the thing that's always carried me thorough anyway, as bland as it sounds, is that deep down I actually like my DH, and look forward to spending time with him. That's carried me through a lot of really shitty days I can tell you.

DianasLasso · 22/07/2020 16:46

@BlackSwan

I have problems with double negatives. You should trust your gut. Discount 1 AIBU vote. I wouldn't trust this guy. He lived with someone he says he didn't love? What a dick.
Me too - took ages to try to decipher which way round you wanted it to be read. I was assuming YABU = run like the wind, YANBU = Ignore gut instinct, but I'm guessing from the voting versus the comments that everyone else read it the other way round.

Anyway, going off the comments I'd say most of us are saying run like the wind.

GruffaIo · 22/07/2020 16:48

The voting is messed up, OP, so don't place too much weight in it compared to the comments! You ask if you are unreasonable to NOT trust your gut:

YABU to not trust your gut, ie. you should ditch him.
YANBU to not trust your gut, ie. you should stay with him

Ditch him. Too many deal-breakers.

SummerWhisper · 22/07/2020 16:51

You seem afraid or too wary to challenge him because it might break the spell. There lies your answer, though, so send him this message:

"Hi Keith, just going through my bank transactions and noticed how much I've spent on our joint food. Would you transfer half to my account, please? £160 should even it out. Much appreciated. Can't wait until our next date."

His reaction is all you will need, to make the decision you are avoiding. I am rooting for you. You deserve a lovely partner Flowers

Wishihadanalgorithm · 22/07/2020 16:52

I ignored my gut feeling once wrt relationships. Wish I hadn’t. The man turned out to be a narcissist and a pathological liar. He cost me time, money and energy. Things could have developed to be a lot worse so I really had a lucky escape. On my first date With him and I just knew there was something wrong about him. Wish I had listened to that gut instinct.

Read “The Gift of Fear.” It talks about what your gut instinct actually is and why you SHOULD listen to it.

LatinforTelly · 22/07/2020 16:52

@Whatsnewpussyhat

All that angst in your post.

Listen to yourself. Trust your instincts. You know this man won't bring you any joy.

This. Trust yourself. Run for the hills.
Ihaventgottimeforthis · 22/07/2020 16:53

Stilted atmosphere, uncomfortable, you don't laugh.

You're not in love, you don't love him, do you even like him?

No way, end it.

GabriellaMontez · 22/07/2020 16:55

For the groceries alone, I would dump him.

How did you come to be spending so much on your visits to him? Shock

GabriellaMontez · 22/07/2020 16:56

But also, why havent you discussed the money issue with him? That you cant raise this with him is a problem all on its own.

Home42 · 22/07/2020 16:57

Do you have fun? That’s my key aim. If someone doesn’t make me laugh, isn’t fun, doesn’t make me want to spend time with them then it won’t work. I also like quiet so if someone finds my silence annoying then it won’t work.

crimsonlake · 22/07/2020 16:59

Quite honestly at the first glimpse of someone being stingy I would have been off like a shot.

LannieDuck · 22/07/2020 16:59

His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree

Did you tell him your future vision first, or did he tell you his first?

Why are you buying groceries when you go to visit him? That's a little odd. Next time you do, ask him to settle up for his half - his reaction will tell you a lot.

StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 16:59

Thanks all, some really great messages here. Lots are resonating. I do think I'm feeling the pressure of my age and like my childbearing years are quickly disappearing and I need to find someone quickly. I think he is in a similar spot. This is not fair on him or me.

Is there hope though in finding the right person now, at almost 36, before my fertility runs out? I do have some eggs on ice already, and the fertility clinic said I had the ovarian reserve of a typical 28 year old. So maybe I'll be okay.

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HollowTalk · 22/07/2020 17:02

You will be fine but every day you spend with this man is a waste of your time. Honestly, get out now and when you look back you'll be aghast that you were planning to stay with a humourless, tightfisted, emotionally frozen man who wasn't even good in bed.

onlymyselftoanswerto1 · 22/07/2020 17:02

My last relationship was scarily similar to what you are describing. I always felt uncomfortable and on edge when I was around him and my anxiety levels were through the roof. He too had a traumatic childhood and was very much of the victim mentality. He drained my soul - we didn't laugh, it was all deep convos and zero fun. He was taking from me emotionally as well as physically.

I ended it and the relief was immediate. I'm now (2yrs later) in the early stages of a new relationship - the difference is like night and day, we laugh, we have fun, it's just easy. It may or may not work out, but it has let me see at 41 that there are really decent, good men out there who care and who aren't totally selfish. Get out now op, people are radiators or drains - don't let this man drain you anymore or you'll lose yourself