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AIBU to not trust my gut on man I'm dating?

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StartingAgain33 · 22/07/2020 14:56

I've been dating someone for three months. He's thoughtful, intelligent, successful, wants the same things in life as me and has made it clear that he sees a future with me (as much as someone can in such a short space of time). He also has literally built my dream life and is inviting me to be a part of it. But my gut keeps telling me to run away, and my therapist says that one of my key challenges is learning to tune into and act on my gut. I'm obsessing and would love your thoughts.

I worry I'm focusing on the negatives too much. I'm about to be 36, keen to have children and tired of being in a dating pool with guys that either don't have their shit together and so by default aren't ready for kids, or who are emotionally avoidant and not willing to put their cards on the table. This guy is neither of those things, and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. So I worry this is just my commitment issues - and potentially anxiety at having met someone so amazing - coming to the fore. What would you think?

Good things:

  • He is open about wanting to settle down, feeling ready for children (a priority for me), about having done the necessary work to get to this point with a therapist (he went to boarding school from a young age and was very starved of love - so had a very avoidant dating pattern). He had one 18 month relationship which ended last year which he said went a long way to healing some of his commitment issues. However, he never loved her and they broke it off as they both felt (I think it was more that he felt) that what they had wasn't 'enough'. This was after they had moved in together to test the relationship (I kind of think you should know if you love someone before making that move, and wonder how much anxiety she was hiding?)
  • He is very successful and leads a really great life. He's open and generous with this life - introducing me to friends and family, making fun trips happen all the time
  • His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree
  • He's not afraid to challenge me and be honest about things, something which I find difficult (I have an anxious attachment pattern)
  • Seems to have a realistic view of what to expect from relationships
  • He's very good at going for what he wants and making things happen, which I find attractive
  • Has great, very close long-term friendships - shows he is capable of longer term intimacy
  • Is very up for 'doing the work' in a relationship
  • Is kind when I open up to him about difficulties, and makes an effort to be there for me
  • Is very consistent with communication, very much leading on this aspect of our relationship

Bad things:

  • He has a very avoidant past (41 years old, has had one relationship in the past 20 or so years and many flings), and I think may have difficulty in general connecting to people. Even though I know this, I keep blame myself for what I feel is a lack of connection in our interactions (I'm not sure he feels this too, although I'm thinking about asking him as it's driving me crazy - like an elephant in the room)
  • I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh. He's quiet quite a lot. He's been honest that he has abandonment issues and that he is hypervigilant to signs of rejection, which makes him quiet, so I've tried to have patience with it but I also feel hypervigilant around him. I've tried to spend lots of time with him to get over this and it's still there most of the time
  • Talks about relationships as 'work' a lot - feels a little joyless
  • Despite talking quite a lot about money / having lots of investments and also enough savings to never have to work again, he has let me somehow do all of the grocery shopping for every visit we've had. Majority of these have been me going to his city, which is nicer to hang out in as it's close to the countryside, so I'm spending money on train tickets AND about £80 at least every single time. This is really stacking up. In comparison, he knows that at 35 I'm still saving for a housing deposit and am going through an expensive egg freezing process. He is extremely frugal in general. The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards. He probably doesn't realise how much I've spent, as I've not communicated this and frankly find it awkward and quite rude that he wouldn't enquire himself or just say 'I'll pay for groceries next time'. Of all the things, strangely, this one makes me most angry and uncomfortable. I guess because we're from very different social classes and I would never want to be seen as a gold digger (he knows this, we've spoken about the fact that I've always dated people from a 'higher' class than me and that I've always gone at least halves or paid for more because I don't want to be seen as with them for their money)
  • I find our conversation often turns to serious subjects - trauma, how messed up someone is, work stuff - and there is little lightness. He is a thoughtful and quite serious character, I think, but I also worry this is just a chemistry thing and he'd be better with someone else (which then makes me want to fix it)
  • Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. This could be my paranoia. But he doesn't often express how he actually feels about me, or why. He expresses his affection, I guess, through wanting to spend lots of time together, but even this feels a little intense / out of kilter with our level of emotional intimacy. Lockdown and living in different cities doesn't help - our dates are several days long, which I think I find a bit much
  • He's commented a few times about how I have a higher sex drive than him / enjoy it more. This makes me feel self conscious about asking for sex. When I did the one time, last week, he was too tired. We didn't have enough physical closeness in my four day visit for me to feel particularly cared for or happy. In general I find him just quite distant. Sex feels a little transactional - like he'll do the minimum to make me orgasm, then he's like 'job done' and then gets his and it's over. There isn't enough kissing or general sensuality for me. I don't feel very connected with him
  • I said I was uncomfy meeting his parents on our third ever date (it was a week long, and we'd been talking on zoom for a month before meeting, plus we actually know eachother from 13 years ago in a work context, but still). He said that was fine and they weren't coming, then the day before told me they actually were and I could 'hide in the house as they'd be in the garden and he'd just say I had lots of work to do' if I wanted. I felt intensely uncomfy with this setup so just met them anyway, but felt very awkward. He hadn't seen them all lockdown, and apparently it was just circumstantial that they visited that day, but I felt a little blindsided. I also met his sister and niece on the day, had been living with his other sister for a week and had spent the day with his best friends that week also. It all felt a little much

So - am I looking a gifthorse in the mouth? My anxiety levels are through the roof on this. For some reason I feel like I need to end it NOW even though I know there's loads of great things going for this guy. Any idea what might be going on?

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NameChange84 · 22/07/2020 16:19

I had a similar dilemma at 33/34.

Feeling of dread around him. In all honesty I was only even considering him because it felt like last chance saloon for babies.

A friend said to me, “he’s a bit repulsive isn’t he?” and I was shocked she said that as he was a VERY good looking, “decent” sort. When she elaborated she said, “Yeah, he’s physically nice looking but there’s something mean, impoverished and dull about him. Like he’s mean to himself and joyless. He repulses me with his energy.”

At that point I realised, he’d never made me not just laugh but smile. He was “mean” and “joyless”, couldn’t let go. I had to dampen myself down around him.

He was however as desperate for marriage and kids as I was and I was the one he thought was the one he wanted.

The biggest realisation was, as in our culture marriage is for life except in very extreme cases like violence, I’d be stuck with him even if we couldn’t conceive children together. And that seemed like a fate worse than death. My life would be joyless. And if I did have kids with him, they’d have a miserable, joyless, mean man as a father anyway.

Honestly, I could have written your post. Ask yourself, would you bother with him if you knew you couldn’t have children with him? If you had children with him and you died would you be happy with him raising them alone?

Trust your gut.

Ohchristmastreeohchristmastree · 22/07/2020 16:20

I’d say trust your gut.

I had two long-term relationships when I was that younger and even lived with somebody but somehow always felt that I wasn’t quite wanted.

When I met my now husband, I felt like I just wanted to be right next to him the whole time. I felt totally comfortable and wanted.

I’ve also had run-ins with people at work who probably had some kind of cluster B personality disorder and were an absolute nightmare. I’ve got a feeling about them right from the off and I should have run for the hills.

catgirl1976 · 22/07/2020 16:22

I was reading the “good” list thinking well this all sounds great what could possibly be the problem.

Then I read the “bad” list. Run.

You are not happy with him. He sounds like he has decided he is going to settle down now rather than he wants to settle down with you.

He does not make you laugh.

He is tight with money (mean even)

There is no joy in this.

Please end it and find someone who makes you laugh and loves you for you (and pays for at least some groceries)

candycane222 · 22/07/2020 16:23

I think you've got your answer already. I was however struck by one of the "good" things - His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree

Uncanny, you say. Have you watched Frozen, where the creepy prince mirrors Anna's views deliberately, to hook her in to thinking they have a connection?

AnyOldMorricone · 22/07/2020 16:23

In all the bits about him wanting the same things (to an “uncanny” degree), I also wondered if he’s not just reflecting back whatever you’ve told him? And the talking about commitment yet not really feeling any intimacy? Your gut feeling is probably the clear message that he’s not genuinely interested fighting against the words you’re hearing. Makes you wonder if he’s a bit manipulative and just telling you what you want to hear, on top of all the many other faults you’ve listed.

Getagripffs · 22/07/2020 16:23

No. Absolutely no.

I was fucked up enough not to read the signs I was in a crap relationship.

Celebrate the fact that you can read this is a bad relationship (even if you haven't quite realised that you have read this).

I have a pretty dysfunctional man as a father to my children. That is a terrible place to be. It really is. So don't do it. This man has sounds like he has serious issues. I feel sorry for him. But it's not your job to be his consolation in life. Don't do it.

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 22/07/2020 16:23

No way can you settle down with someone who you have mediocre sex with, who you feel generally uncomfortable with, and who ensures when hes with you that he pays much less than you despite earning more. Too many obstacles and they all seem pretty major

vixxo · 22/07/2020 16:24

He doesn't sound particularly appealing? And always trust your gut instinct, it doesn't sound like a fun relationship at all. There's a reason he's only had one short-ish relationship in 40 years - he has issues.

Especially this:
'The one time he paid of out food on a visit (because I lost my bank card) he asked me to settle up with him afterwards.'

This is enough to dump him I think. Highly unattractive behaviour.

Longwhiskers14 · 22/07/2020 16:25

I just have a terrible gut feeling a lot of the time. When I'm with him, there's a sort of stilted atmosphere (I feel) and I don't feel able to relax. We hardly laugh.

I stopped reading after that - it's the deal breaker, IMO. The person you are with should never make you feel like the joy's been sucked out of the room. Your gut is correct and you should listen to it, because you deserve far, far better.

FudgeBrownie2019 · 22/07/2020 16:25

The thing is, he's probably someone's ideal man. Someone will meet him and have butterflies and thunderclaps and excitement whenever she sees him. The meanness, the odd atmosphere, the weird railroading, all those things will make someone else's life happy.

He's not for you. It's that simple. You don't settle in love. You don't railroad yourself into love. You don't convince yourself to love. You just fall.

Let him run free and be hyper vigilant elsewhere. You are not to spend your life talking yourself into a relationship that's less than you want.

kgov1 · 22/07/2020 16:27

There are more bad points than good. At this early stage, I would run for the hills.

Standrewsschool · 22/07/2020 16:27

From the op.

“... and is up for doing the work of a real relationship. ”

Actions speak louder than words, and in the three months you’ve been together, he has demonstrated the opposite of this. Ie. Expecting you to do all the travelling (at your own expense), expecting you to buy the food, low sex drive.

You’ve only been dating a short while so you should be excited to see each other, having fun, laughing, doing things together etc. Not having all these woes and worries.

Listen to your gut instinct. He’s not the man for you.

SistemaAddict · 22/07/2020 16:28

I felt anxious just reading that and I didn't get to the end of his bad bits. So many red flags. He's a soulless joy hoover. Don't let your biological clock rule your gut here. Right bastard too. Nothing attractive here at all. No thank you Mr Tight Wad.

candycane222 · 22/07/2020 16:28

Haha snap AnyOld Morricone

kenandbarbie · 22/07/2020 16:29

"Because he's very open about wanting to settle down, it can sometimes make me feel like he is being spurred by that rather than wanting to be with ME. "

It sounds very transactional from your side too. You want to settle down and sound very anxious to have kids soon. He wants those things too. But it doesn't sound like you have any feelings for him or even like him much.

Standrewsschool · 22/07/2020 16:30

I also felt a bit chilled at the ‘uncanny’ reverence to future plans. Made me wonder if he was telling you what you wanted to hear. Manipulative behaviour.

BoudicasBoudoir · 22/07/2020 16:30

Please get rid of him. You are worth more than that. It will only get worse.

AnyOldMorricone · 22/07/2020 16:30

@Ohchristmastreeohchristmastree

I immediately thought of antisocial-type personality disorders from the description (I’ve met a few people in my time who I’ve privately classified as sociopaths/psychopaths) but didn’t want to diagnose from afar (often roll my eyes at all the armchair “narcissist” spotters)

Agree though there are some hints of that personality type in the description.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 22/07/2020 16:31

Run like the wind!

Your gut is telling you this is not the man for you. He is not necessarily a psycho or an abuser - but you know in your heart that the two of you aren't good fit.

He supposedly claims that he sees a future with you - but he won't cover the cost of shopping for you both - or even take turns covering the costs of this. This alone says that he is no going to be easy to live with. You will have to account for every penny. You will very soon find this unbearable - and if you have a family, especially if you stop work for any length ofttimes, this will become worse.

Think very carefully about committing to him.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 22/07/2020 16:32

I think you’re getting desperate due to your age/ fertility - which is understandable. Do not hang around for a baby with this man - he’s going to be a miserable co-parent. Stingy and boring.

heymammy · 22/07/2020 16:33

This relationship sounds as dull as dishwater to be honest, he doesn't make you laugh? That's pretty much No1 on my list! Where would the joy be once you're old and any DC have moved away?

It's a no from me Sad please don't 'settle'.

Pinkginhelps · 22/07/2020 16:33

Listen to your gut. I wish I had when I did exactly what you are contemplating. Leave the relationship and DO NOT be tempted back....

candycane222 · 22/07/2020 16:34

And re-reading though your post OP - you don't say you actually like him!!! Which we might take as read I suppose, as you are dting him, but you don'ts say anything about how good being with him makes you feel...

FreddoFrogAddict · 22/07/2020 16:34

OP this really is a no-brainer. You are obviously desperate to settle down but please don't think this man is the answer. His good points amount to; he wants to settle down too and he's successful.

For a relationship of 3 months, which should be fun and easy at this stage, you seem to spend an awful lot of time analysing each others problems and anxieties. Being tight with money is a huge red flag too. Imagine having children with him and him questioning every penny you spend?

There's a good reason he's in his 40's and has never had a successful relationship. It's a shame there isn't a tripadvisor for potential partners because I'm sure his exes could save you a lot of wasted time and effort.

DianasLasso · 22/07/2020 16:35

@candycane222

I think you've got your answer already. I was however struck by one of the "good" things - His future vision is the same as mine to an uncanny degree

Uncanny, you say. Have you watched Frozen, where the creepy prince mirrors Anna's views deliberately, to hook her in to thinking they have a connection?

That bit jumped out at me and I thought "deliberate mirroring/future faking."

Trust your gut and let this one go.

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