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He wants to move out but still stay in a relationship

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CockLodgerornah · 26/06/2020 15:50

I’ll try not to drip feed.

I met DP at the start of 2019.
He moved in with me in February 2020 and we got engaged.

A month after both of those things happened, lockdown happened. March 2020 he tells me he doesn’t think he wants to get married and if he had the choice he’d move back out. He couldn’t as he had a tenant, who will move out November 2020.

We agree to work through things. June 2020 he confirms he definitely doesn’t want to get married and he definitely will be moving out in November. He still wants to be in a relationship, he just thinks cohabiting is not for him

I love him. I really do but.....after a shit marriage, I thought I’d found someone on the same wavelength as me. I thought, I could happily spend the rest of my life with DP. DP isn’t saying he doesn’t want that, just not in the same house. And I don’t think I’m okay with that but I don’t know if I’m being unreasonable. I enjoy going to sleep next to him every night, I enjoy domestic life. We bloody went and got two cats together (which you know, I’m fine on keeping, I adore them)

He said, if he moves out he will be far more relaxed and will want to do things with me rather than shutting himself away all the time. But if he moves out, I’m suddenly paying all the bills again and I’ll be really tight on finances (his mortgage is half my rent etc).

Would you stay in this relationship if you loved him? I feel like I’d be sacrificing what I want from life. But he’s sacrificing what he wants from life at the moment as he thinks he’s just designed to live alone.

If you really love someone should you fight for it, how do you know when you should walk away. The thought of not having him at all is devastating and I’m worried that I’m being a bit dramatic. I can get over the not marrying thing, despite having told my family we were. (We kinda asked each other, rather than him proposing).

I’m worried that I’ll make the decision just to move on, when I could accept what he has to offer and I might be happy. I don’t think I’d want a relationship where we live apart for the rest of our lives. It makes no financial sense but apparently makes emotional sense to him. Am I being unreasonable, should I put myself first? Should I accept what he has to offer?

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AllyBamma · 27/06/2020 09:20

Is this really all you think you’re worth OP? A guy who doesn’t even want to live with you? Is that how you pictured your happily ever after? In the nicest way possible, please find some self respect and chuck this guy out now because he’s taking the piss and you’re enabling it. You’re making excuses for his rationale for why he doesn’t want to live with you. Don’t you want to be with someone who wants to go to sleep next to you and wake up by your side in the morning? You can do so much better than this, stop wasting your time on this guy.

shinyredbus · 27/06/2020 09:32

I would cut my losses and run. Find someone who won’t treat you as a doormat and a walkover.

CockLodgerornah · 27/06/2020 10:05

How do people date these days. I’ve never dated, I wouldn’t use tinder etc. I just am scared

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Whatafustercluck · 27/06/2020 10:19

What you both want from the relationship is very different op, in much the same way as a relationship where one person wants children and the other one doesn't. It doesn't make for long term compatibility and frankly you deserve not to have to compromise to this extent. It's as simple as that really. You may love him - and actually he may love you too - but you both deserve to find someone you are better matched with and can make you deeply happy. Please cut your losses sooner rather than later and don't waste time on a relationship that is never going to go in the direction you want it to.

Lemonyfuckit · 27/06/2020 10:22

OP I know it's scary thinking if you break up with him you won't find anyone else but trust me, it's better to be happy by yourself than in a relationship that doesn't give you what you want or need. You deserve so much more, and there is someone out there for you but if you stay in a relationship that's entirely on his terms you won't get the opportunity to find the partner who you could share your life with in the way you want to.

In answer to how people date these days - well, lockdown aside, I think they still use online dating - don't knock it until you try it! I know it's scary if you haven't done it before, and I certainly had to kiss a lot of frogs so to speak, but I met my DP 5 1/2 years ago, on Tinder..... (we've been living together for 5 years now and getting married next year). Similarly heard loads of success stories on MN from other people who met their partners / fiancées / spouses online. Just an easy way to meet lots of people, go on dates and hopefully meet someone you want to share your life with.

Zhampagne · 27/06/2020 10:24

I don’t think you should date. I think you should be single for a while and learn to be happy and fulfilled on your own.

wowfudge · 27/06/2020 10:37

I completely agree with you Zhampagne. At around the OP's age and divorced I decided OLD wasn't for me and instead spent time doing things that interested me. I was much happier as a result and met DP a few years later.

Tsubasa1 · 27/06/2020 10:42

Don't you think he didn't break up with you in March because he realised he would then have to move out? Maybe he came up with the whole "lets continue the relationship but i will move out in November" to benefit from the arrangement.

Wfhconundrum · 27/06/2020 10:47

Out of interest - why did you both choose to live at your place and not his? I honestly don’t think this all sounds promising but habe you even floated the idea that it might work out better there?

TheresABearInThere · 27/06/2020 10:48

OP online dating is hit and miss but I that’s how I met my partner. We’ve been together about 5 years and met when I was 42. I had been with my ex from age 16-38. You’ll get there but the most important thing is to be happy in yourself before you start dating. Learn to be your own person first. Flowers

Motoko · 27/06/2020 11:17

If you want children, you haven't really got the luxury of time to waste on a relationship that's going nowhere. My 30s flew by. I met my 2nd husband when I was 35 (we met in an online group of people with similar music tastes). I already had children, and DH and I started TTC when I was 38. I finally fell pregnant at 43 but had a miscarriage, and never fell pregnant again.

Ending things with this man, will not be a mistake. Trying to cling on to him, whatever the cost, will be something you massively regret in the future.

girlywhirly · 27/06/2020 13:59

OP, I think your BF sounds quite introverted, but one thing is clear and that is he is not parent material, nor is he able to commit properly to a relationship. Do you know how his previous relationships ended?

He wants no significant ties and to do his own thing, so the best thing is to get him out of your home and life. You tell him when he is to be out by and ignore his sad face. He doesn’t come into your bedroom again, he stays somewhere else, no longer your problem. He certainly doesn’t have you as a part time GF.

mornington444 · 27/06/2020 14:07

It may be what some people prefer but you don't and so it seems to be the end of the relationship.

AllyBamma · 27/06/2020 14:51

I know it’s overwhelming but you really don’t need to be thinking about dating right now do you? Just be on your own for a while, you’ll be in no mindset to jump straight back into a relationship.

DisobedientHamster · 27/06/2020 15:12

@CockLodgerornah

So at the moment he’s really stressed with his job, which I understand it must be hard working for the NHS at the moment. He’s lived mainly alone for most of his life, he is used to his own space and he loved his house. He can’t settle at mine. He hates it when the cats etc disturb him at night and he’s slowly becoming more and more withdrawn, he’s nit cheating, he does love me but wants to go back to how we were before we moved in together. He’s never lied to me, in fact he’s brutally honest which sometimes doesn’t work out....

I asked him what he was actually bringing to the relationship because so far he doesn’t want to have sex, he doesn’t want to marry me and he wants to move out. What am I getting from this. He looked quite sad and I can tell he’s desperate for it to work out and the only way he sees as being possible is for him to leave. He wants me to give it a go and will respect it if I say no.

Still all about him! He's not desperate for it to work out, he's not, he's desperate to have relationship on his terms, not anything you want. Nothing. He's offering a casual weekend lover deal, no strings attached. Him, him, him.

He'd suit a woman who's already had kids or has them still at home, who's divorced and doesn't want anything involved and happy to see him a few times a week with flexibility around her life and unbothered if he's unable to make it. In fact, a good friend of mine who is married has a surgeon lover like this. She has a complicated child situation (one with SN) and an asexual husband and they got married to procreate.

That's not you!

He says he'll 'respect it' if you say no?! How big of him. Just listen to that very line. He doesn't get to decide for you! It doesn't matter if he 'respects' it or not, if you say no that's it.

He looked sad because his plans went awry. Stop assuming he's gutted about this and start looking at his actions, his MO, his past. The best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour. You're no. 3, not Beethoven's Immortal Beloved or in an episode of Grey's Anatomy. He wants to carry on the way my friend and her lover do. That doesn't suit you.

You're still handing him all your power. No decision is still a decision. Not telling him he needs to go is clinging onto him, wasting time hoping he'll change.

If you want kids, staying another minute with him is actively saying you don't.

Get rid of him and STOP dating for a while and focus on yourself because you have low standards and boundaries and this guy has messed you about.

There's nothing original about all this. It's garden variety incompatibility.

I'm actually shocked at his nerve and cruelty (however inadvertent the latter is), to go so far as to ask you to marry him, move in and then say, nah, need to move out but then to throw in he wants it to go back to how it was? WTAF? How fucking cruel is that, expecting someone to forget about all the heartbreak that went with those broken promises and just put up with any ol' shit he throws out.

I'd have been fucking livid. No one deserves to be treated like that.

CockLodgerornah · 28/06/2020 14:57

@DisobedientHamster I needed this, thank you xx

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lovemelongtime · 28/06/2020 15:03

Sounds like he is using your place to crash until he can move out in November - sorry but it sounds like he is just using you till then.

pigeon999 · 29/06/2020 08:34

I hope you have asked him to leave, keep your dignity op, seriously don't let him rob you of that as well. The relationship is going absolutely nowhere, and he will take all he can from it before he goes, don't allow him to do that to you. You take control now, you decide that this is no longer something you want, and pack his bags!

Livelovebehappy · 29/06/2020 08:45

He’s stringing you along until November, saying he wants to continue with the relationship just to pacify you at the moment, because it would be hugely inconvenient for him to move out now. His offer to move out now if you want is an empty one, which he probably knows you’ll turn down because he is offering you a few crumbs of hope. Come November he will move out and then decide that he doesn’t want to be with you at all, because he no longer needs you.

Ishihtzuknot · 29/06/2020 12:01

Don’t put yourself through the heart ache, he doesn’t know what he wants and he’ll just string you along forever if he can.
There is someone out there for you who will want the same things you do, but it isn’t him. Cut your losses and don’t waste any more time with him.
My ex wanted us to continue living together but run off to the other woman after work, it wasn’t happening, I packed his bags and made him leave. I’ve been single since (7 years) but I’m so glad I didn’t waste any of that time with him.

DisobedientHamster · 29/06/2020 14:47

He's still there because you haven't found your anger, which is actually self love. Hanging onto hope he will change, but he's already shown you that even if he did, you can't believe him, after all, this is a person who went as far as proposing to you but now wants to go back to you being his casual girlfriend he sees a few times a week when it suits. That's not love, that's using someone.

I was once married to someone, we married quite young and the future was this sort of nebulous cloud out there. When it arrived however, it was the decision on whether or not to have children, he, was only a year older than your boyfriend, was mature enough to own his decision that he never wanted them, or if he did (he didn't, he's in his mid-50s now and had a vasectomy years ago), it wasn't with me. AND, that owning that decision meant he didn't get to keep me, I needed to make my own decision about it all and that if it was to try to find someone to have kids with, I couldn't keep him or the marriage, either. Now that is how someone behaves when they actually love the other person and themselves and what they need out of life. NOT 'I still want to keep crashing at yours and then keep you in my life on my terms because that's what I can offer and want' but 'You and I want fundamentally different things in life, so sadly, we need to go our separate ways.'

Wanting to 'go back to the way it was' or even thinking that's possible is what my teenager and tween try to do because they're currently too immature to realise that sometimes, you can't do that and it's impossible to turn back time.

Think about that every day this man is still in your home. This isn't love.

It's alright to change your mind. What isn't is to then expect the other person to capitulate to your terms, expect them to forget about what's been, live together for months and then think this is all good. Shows zero respect for your feelings.

Who'd even want to be with someone who does to them in the first place? You could never trust such a person to consider your feelings, have respect for them or even own their own decisions.

And yes the 'I'll go if you want' is an empty gesture. He knows you'll let him stay and might even know the reason why is because you're hoping he'll change his mind. He's not stupid and at 33 and having lived with 2 other women, he's not inexperienced, either. Think about his line, 'I'll respect it if you say no go'. He doesn't get to decide whether he respects it or not, he's drawn his line in the sand. Only weasels talk the talk but don't walk the walk. My libido would shrivel up with such a weak, disrespectful person.

What a shitty thing to do someone you claim to love. I wouldn't even treat a friend like that. Would you? Would you do that to someone you love? If the answer is no, why do you think you deserve such treatment?

DisobedientHamster · 29/06/2020 18:59

About a year after my divorce, I had another relationship with a guy like this. He also went to proposing and I actually moved to another town to be with him, thankfully not too far away and I kept my job in the other city and commuted. Then he decided it wasn't for him, he didn't want marriage and kids (he'd also been divorced, no children). But again, instead of, 'You move out and we can still see other', he also ended it entirely. He was in his late 30s.

We're still in contact as casual SM friends (I'm also in contact with my ex h, who went on to remarry but divorced again due to a different issue - she wanted to move countries for a job; no children) because of the respect they showed me and themselves by saying 'We're incompatible and need to find people we're more compatible with' and not afraid to be single for a while or even forever (the ex boyfriend is now in his late 50s and lives on his own, it's what suits him; he's actually helped me out a few times with some IT issues as that's his profession and yes, my husband of 18 years knows all about both of them, he's actually SM friends with them, too!).

Love, mature, adult love, is compatibility, respect for each other, open communication about major decisions and being grown up enough to own those decisions and let the other party go if they're not fundamentally on the same page (not talking about paint colours or furniture but the real stuff like what sort of future you'd like to share including marriage or continued partnership, finances and property, jobs and work, hobbies and free time (reams of threads on here from people who think their free time is more important the other's), children and contraception, sex, division of labour wrt lifework).

I feel for you because I was once that 31-year-old woman. But I can tell you, it can be so much better for you, but you have to love yourself enough to give yourself that chance. Smile

Hope you're still seeing this, I really do. I have a daughter now myself and I'd want better for her than this, mostly because this is not making you happy at all.

Cocklodgerornah · 03/07/2020 15:00

Sorry, took a few days to think things over. I just need to word vomit, bear with bear with.

He did tell me in March that he wasn’t happy – it was fine until lockdown hit and then he wanted to retreat more which he would have done before, but he was fine with one day at his place to unwind then 6 at mine. He could have moved out in March, as the tenant wasn’t due to move in until May but he wanted to try. Once tenant moved in, he became really withdrawn and upset that someone is living in his home…so it wasn’t ever, the convenience of staying here – he wanted to make a go of it and he has struggled with it since. He could afford to move out and rent for 6 months which he offered because I said I didn’t know if I wanted to continue in that sort of relationship. He offered to live in the spare room. He just doesn’t want to have sex, which makes sense if he’s depressed. I’ve been trying to balance being understanding of someone’s mental health with my really high sex drive. I don’t want to be selfish.

I did get angry at one point and was a bit mean to him, and he just took it. Which ended up making me feel shit.

Now he can’t retreat to anywhere other than the shed (I mean it does have a sofa) he feels quite claustrophobic. He was really excited to get married, but once he sunk into depression he decided he wouldn’t be a good husband as he can’t think about the future, he can only reflect on how he feels now. So he is saying – I don’t deserve to have someone who wants to be alone half the time and not see people, doesn’t make a good partnership. He is an introvert, he didn’t feel comfortable joining an online gaming night and talking because he didn’t know most of the players, took him a few days to warm up to speaking.

Just because I understand that and acknowledge how he feels doesn’t mean I’m excusing it because I do know what I need. I’m happy supporting someone through a rough time, I guess I can’t quite come to terms with the idea that someone doesn’t want to be supported. I think that’s what it is – he doesn’t want me to support him, he wants to get through that on his own. A couple of days after I posted my thread we talked and he cried his eyes out (he has NEVER cried in my prescence). I didn’t push anything I just said what I thought I needed. He was upset because he felt awful about how he can’t give me what I need. During all of lockdown I have given him space, I’ve gone out for a few hours so he can chill out on his own, I’ve tried to compromise so that he has that time to himself and I thought it was enough, he said he thought it was. But….it turns out he’s just really emotionally connected to his house (sounds weird). I understand why, he’s not had a very stable upbringing, distant parents – brought up by the nanny, no one has been consistent in his life and his house is the first form of stability, and he needs a day at his house to recharge. I would like to think I am stability, I’ve told him before that he has someone who loves him even when he’s in a bad mood but I think he really feels safe in his home. I have rented all my life, I don’t form attachments to houses but I haven’t ever owned a home myself. I could probably relate if I did own a home.

We also went for a walk the next day and discussed how he has had people go in and out of his life, he doesn’t feel he is attached to me in the way I am attached to him. We both love each other but I see him as a partner and want to be on the same team, but that arrangement is quite foreign to him and so there is a disparity. He’s in his mid thirties and has only had himself to rely on. I asked him what was different about being with me to his other partners, he said he’s fed up of shifting around all the time and wants to pursue something and be committed but his idea of that isn’t the same as mine. He doesn’t place importance on living together, he says we can still have domestic intimacies part time. I said I don’t want it part time. So we don’t agree on that (we didn’t argue). I said, I understand how your relationship with your parents affects you, I understand that you aren’t used to someone saying “I am here for you” consistently. He said it’s just not something he thinks he needs. I’m not sure I believe that because I think he is conflating emotional support with physical presence.

I said that his whole “if I move out and you don’t want to be with me that’s okay” is the wrong thing to say to me, it’s you having an easy get out and placing the onus on me. He disagreed but didn’t really give me a good enough reason, he does find it hard to articulate some things verbally and refers to it as “difficult questions” ie are you going to ask me another difficult question.

I’m really battling with self love and my love for him. He is a good person, all he has done is be honest with me about how he feels in the moment. He doesn’t feel like getting married right now, so he doesn’t want to get married full stop. I on the other hand, have bad days where I’m fed up with him leaving a banana skin on the side but I don’t tell him to bloody move out because of it.

I have tried to imagine myself alone, I’ve tried to imagine myself with someone else but all I see is him. All I see is us going to sleep as we usually do listening to an audio book every night. All I see is us reading books on the sofa with our feet crossed over each others in absolute silence for an hour. I cannot see him not in it. I could cope with not getting married, but I don’t know if I can cope with him moving out. That’s clearly a me issue, I have a horrible fear of rejection and that is what it feels like. But maybe I’m being melodramatic. I do understand his point of view, I do think I know why he is like that but I don’t think anything I do could change that.
His solution is we can try to move in together again in two years, but if he doesn’t want to do that in two years then have I wasted more of my life? Do I dump someone I really fucking love in the hope that in a few years I might find happiness? He is my favourite person, he is the person who has held me through horrific anxiety attacks when I had nightmares about my ex-husband. He’s also the person who I want to spend the rest of my life with. I don’t want anyone else.

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SapatSea · 03/07/2020 15:31

He has showed you who he is, he doesn't want to share and is more emotionally attached to his house than your relationship (did he not want you to move into his house? and so moved into your rental intead?). I don't doubt he loves you in hs own way but as many others have advised you, it is not the type of love that you want/need. If you stick with him, he will always dictate the terms of engagement, when he can face being sociable, seeing you, you will have to forego having children, it will always be about his damaged background, his depression and what he needs to survive. You will be his handmaid and may never feel yourself o solid ground with him.What about you and your needs??

What was your childhood like, did you have to people please, were you always a kind girl trying to walk in others shoes, were you a good girl but didn't get the love and recognition for this from family members? did you have to walk on eggshells around a signficant family member? I'm just asking because although we often choose a partner who seems in no way like our parents/siblings/authoruty figures of our past they actually have traits that we are "familiar" with, sometimes in a diluted form. Example: if you felt nervous around your mum and always tried to service her as she was a bit volatile you may find yourself tiptoeing around a partner as you feel they could also show disdain towards you if you don't get everything right. You want someone to coddle you for a change but somehow can't seem to respond to that in another.

pigeon999 · 03/07/2020 15:34

If sharing your life means more to you than marriage, children and security then by all means stay with him. You don't need to call it a day, you can accept his decision and live with it. Many do.

But do ask yourself some serious questions.

  1. Can he ever be the kind of father I would want for my children? If not, I must accept a child less future.

  2. Can I ever accept I will never be a mother? If I have a child, it is possible I will have to do the whole thing alone because he won't cope

  3. Do I want to spend the rest of my life with a depressive introvert? Fast forward twenty years and your life looks a lot like it does now.

  4. Is this really enough?

  5. Is it possible in time I could find a much better match, even if I can not see it now?

If I had a dd would I think this was a good enough man for her, answer that truthfully!!

Life is so short, it is fleeting, we have to make every day count.....if it is enough, be happy with your decision and say goodbye in November when he moves back out, you will adjust even if it hurts. Protect yourself op.

Sometimes it is okay to say this is not good enough for me and mean it.

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