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Female friend not invited on stag do

219 replies

ConkerGame · 21/06/2020 08:57

A very close male friend of mine is getting married next year. Whilst I was originally friends with him and consider him a really good friend, I have also become close to his fiancée over time and she has kindly invited me on her hen party. I would never have expected an invite on the stag as hens/stags are always women/men only in our group. I only invited the women on my hen.

DFriend’s and my mutual female friend has always considered herself one of the “lads” (I’m not to sure why as she’s actually not very “laddy” at all!). She always calls the boys in the group “her boys” and says she feels closer to them than the girls. She has a boyfriend so she’s not after the guys or anything, just seems to want to hang out with them more than the girls for some reason. I can’t tell whether she doesn’t make much of an effort with the girlfriends or whether they don’t make one with her (or if it’s a bit of both) but while she meets up with the girls who were originally in the group (like me), she never meets up with the girlfriends of the guys for dinner/lunch etc (like I do). So she hasn’t been invited on the hen like I have.

However, she’s not bothered by that. What she’s annoyed about is that she’s not invited on the stag! It’s men only and going by the previous stags in the group, it will be physically quite intense. They’re a sporty, competitive group who aren’t afraid of getting hurt or hurting one another (think rugby boys, but not!). So e.g. they’ll do some sort of activity that involves hunting each other in teams and (play)fighting each other. And they’re also very heavy drinkers, mainly beer and shots. She’s not a particularly heavy drinker and only likes wine/G&t. She’s not physical at all and would get very upset if someone physically hurt her (fair enough!). So basically she wouldn’t just fit in to the stag like “one of the lads” - she’d stick out like a sore thumb.

Anyway, things have kicked off as she’s messaged the group (both men and women) WhatsApp complaining that DFriend and his best man are being sexist by not inviting her. She says she’s a close friend of his and the only reason she’s not invited is because she’s a woman. DFriend rang me really upset as it’s not true at all. He says to be honest he’s not particularly close to her, never spends one on one time with her or anything and just doesn’t want her there. Nothing to do with her being a woman, just (a) he doesn’t like her enough to want her there and (b) knows she wouldn’t want to do any of the stuff they’ll be doing and will just be a pain.

I really feel for him. I’m a feminist and would be the first to call out sexism if I thought it was there. But in this case I think she’s just being a pain and upsetting DFriend without a real reason. Personally I think she should make more effort with the women and then maybe she wouldn’t feel left out as she would probably be invited on the hen. Don’t really know what to advise DFriend to reply as he can’t really say “I just don’t like you that much” without causing a lot of upset!

AIBU?

OP posts:
titchy · 21/06/2020 11:57

Why can't he acknowledge that it is indeed very sexist but that it's his preference to have a boys only do.

Mummyshark2018 · 21/06/2020 11:59

@carolbaskinstiger

Lots of people invite others on their stag/ hen that they may not spend 1:1 time with. I have people I class as friends but would never arrange to see them 1:1. We see each other as part of a wider group. But they would likely feel hurt if I left them out of something based on the fact we don't spend 1:1 time together (and vice versa). If the friend in this case gets invited to pub crawls/ concerts/parties/ holidays etc then it sounds like she is not getting invited on the stag based on her sex.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 21/06/2020 11:59

It is sexist. They're upholding traditional rituals which are based on sex.

Why is that a problem in a case like this?

There are some things which are sex-segregated. Stag and hen do's are usually among them.

SpillTheTeaa · 21/06/2020 12:04

It would be sexist if he didn't want her there because she's a girl but he doesn't want her there because he isn't close to her. That's not sexist fgs.

Let her sulk like a petty child.

NoMoreDickheads · 21/06/2020 12:14

I'm a feminist but I don't think it's sexist in a bad way for men or women to want to have for instance a 'girl's night in' or other single sex bonding activity.

She knows she's not wanted at this thing, so her nagging to be invited/whining is just making herself look silly really.

It's your friends choice who he invites.

NoMoreDickheads · 21/06/2020 12:16

As for PP saying it's a ritual- yes it is and that's ok.

Alittleshortforaspacepooper · 21/06/2020 12:19

She's being very silly and has embarrassed herself. Don't get involved. If she tries to drag you into anything just say no and keep out, even if it means her getting upset with you.

Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 12:22

"It would be sexist if he didn't want her there because she's a girl but he doesn't want her there because he isn't close to her. That's not sexist fgs."

Is he close to all the men then?

Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 12:25

@Carolbaskinstiger

Again - to those who are saying it’s sexist - why then should the grooms mother, sisters, and indeed even dw (to be) not all join in?
Stag and hen nights are for friends of the groom or bride, it's a farewell to their single life.
Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 12:27

@Milicentbystander72

"Her boys"

Urgh. This type of thing is normally said by women who can't function without having Male attention. And yes, they normally say things like "women don't normally like me" or "women are such bitches".

Any women who can't see the strong value in female friendship and put down their own sex with generic labels means a VERY wide swerve from me. I've met some women like this in my time.

You're projecting your own problems onto her. OP hasn't said that this women call other women bitches. Some women tend to have more male friends than female friends and there's nothing wrong with that. You don't have to have your friendships only with the same sex FFS.
Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 12:29

"All blokes, drinking too much, getting rowdy (and yes - probably making loud, "laddish" overtures to groups of women). Swearing constantly. Having drinking competitions. Throwing up everywhere. P*ssing in alleyways. Playing stupid "jokes" on each other. Possibly getting into a fight.

Why would any woman want to be part of that."

I wouldn't, but the men I know wouldn't have that kind of stag party anyway.

CruellaDeSmile · 21/06/2020 12:29

Op I agree you should just not do anything or this will escalate.

I do think there may be two sides to this story - I wonder if the female friend has been used a bit here ?

I mean if she’s been gatecrashing every single boys night and they’ve been eye-rolling behind her back and she’s just been tagging along unwanted and being socially tone-deaf then fair enough.

(I do know women like this so that could be the case!)

But if there have been a few members of the group who have led her in terms of clearly enjoying her company, inviting her along, contacting her, encouraging her to think she’s one of them, enjoying her presence as an attractive woman..but not really respecting her as a human being to consider her feelings as a friend ( even to apologise/privately explain to her why she won’t fit in) then maybe she’s right to feel aggrieved.

I think of my interactions with partnered up men as an ok looking single woman

often they’d be very, very keen PRIVATELY to flirt or push for or instigate friendly contact or include me in things (of course I didn’t trust their motives so it stopped soon enough).

But you definitely got the impression that they’d be all like “who is she? Crazy slutty pushy desperate woman I don’t know that well.” to their partner or partners female mates.

I actually kind of admire her a bit for standing up for herself in this case (though I think this friendship group is dead for her anyway).

Carolbaskinstiger · 21/06/2020 12:30

@Gwenhwyfar most stag do’s I’m aware of also include the grooms father and in most cases around me, the father of the bride. So why not mum and mil then if it’s a free for all?
And also was I sexist in only having females at my hen do seeing as I have several close male friends?

Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 12:31

"She may not be after any of them as such, but she definitely thinks of them as hers and the girlfriends/wives are below her"

Where has this come from except you imagination?

monkeymonkey2010 · 21/06/2020 12:31

my mutual female friend has always considered herself one of the “lads” (I’m not to sure why as she’s actually not very “laddy” at all!). She always calls the boys in the group “her boys” and says she feels closer to them than the girls
Every girl/woman i've met who makes a lot of noise about this kind of thing has always been in it for the attention.
They wanted to be the ONLY woman who get 'special treatment'......didn't matter that girlfriends/partners of the 'boys' weren't actually comfortable with the obvious territory marking.

What she's doing is triangulating herself within the men in the group - she acts like she's their best friend and confidante and only woman 'friend' they can 'trust' - so they'll turn to her when they have gf issues etc...and then she will have more 'power' to influence within the group.
It's all about being 'number one' for her....

Now she's made it super-obvious that she considers herself more important than the men's gf's.....how about you all reconsider your boundaries?

LegallyBlue · 21/06/2020 12:32

Has she ever previously been on a stag do? Has she ever been to a hen do with a man? If she's ever been married then did she invite men to her hen do? If not, she needs to pipe down.
The groom or batsman (whoever is organising) should respond with "I am hosting this event and I get to decide the guest list. I do not need to justify who is or is not invited and it is the height of bad manners to demand an invitation."

Megatron · 21/06/2020 12:33

If your group didn't pigeon hole itself so strongly into girls and boys, then she wouldn't have to pick a side, would she?

She doesn't have to pick a side in this context - neither 'side' has picked her. She clearly doesn't really know the women that well and the stag just doesn't want her there.

Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 12:33

"@Gwenhwyfar most stag do’s I’m aware of also include the grooms father and in most cases around me, the father of the bride."

I find that more odd than having a female friend there, but if that is happening it's obviously more of a reason why the female friend can go. They're probably not going to a stripper or a prostitute if the father of the groom and bride are there, so why can't a woman join?

chunkyrun · 21/06/2020 12:34

She doesn't have to pick a side in this context - neither 'side' has picked her. She clearly doesn't really know the women that well and the stag just doesn't want her there.

Ouch but yea what they said ^^

WizardOfAus · 21/06/2020 12:36

Oh dear.

Devlesko · 21/06/2020 12:39

She's a dick, women don't go on stags for the same reason men don't go on hen do's is she really that dim?

Yankathebear · 21/06/2020 12:40

She sounds like a groupie.

Pelleas · 21/06/2020 12:41

They're probably not going to a stripper or a prostitute if the father of the groom and bride are there, so why can't a woman join?

The point is that they don't want her there. That might be because they're sexist, it might be because they don't like her that much, it might be because they don't think she could keep up with the activities they are planning.

Whatever the reason for not being invited, it's utterly pointless kicking up a fuss and rude to ask for an invitation. It's for her now to reassess her friendship with them and it's her prerogative not to waste any more time on them if she concludes they're sexist arseholes or not that into her.

Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 12:42

The insults levelled at this woman just because she has male friends!

Lucyccfc68 · 21/06/2020 12:43

2 of my male friends came in the afternoon of my hen do (we went to a football match and the pub) We all had a good laugh and the daft buggers even bought themselves a tiara to wear. They were both welcome to stay for the evening meal and the pub crawl/club, but they left us to it.

I have been on a stag do and was invited to another one this year (got cancelled due to covid). I never asked to be invited, I just was.

Your female friend is rude to complain about not being invited.