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Female friend not invited on stag do

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ConkerGame · 21/06/2020 08:57

A very close male friend of mine is getting married next year. Whilst I was originally friends with him and consider him a really good friend, I have also become close to his fiancée over time and she has kindly invited me on her hen party. I would never have expected an invite on the stag as hens/stags are always women/men only in our group. I only invited the women on my hen.

DFriend’s and my mutual female friend has always considered herself one of the “lads” (I’m not to sure why as she’s actually not very “laddy” at all!). She always calls the boys in the group “her boys” and says she feels closer to them than the girls. She has a boyfriend so she’s not after the guys or anything, just seems to want to hang out with them more than the girls for some reason. I can’t tell whether she doesn’t make much of an effort with the girlfriends or whether they don’t make one with her (or if it’s a bit of both) but while she meets up with the girls who were originally in the group (like me), she never meets up with the girlfriends of the guys for dinner/lunch etc (like I do). So she hasn’t been invited on the hen like I have.

However, she’s not bothered by that. What she’s annoyed about is that she’s not invited on the stag! It’s men only and going by the previous stags in the group, it will be physically quite intense. They’re a sporty, competitive group who aren’t afraid of getting hurt or hurting one another (think rugby boys, but not!). So e.g. they’ll do some sort of activity that involves hunting each other in teams and (play)fighting each other. And they’re also very heavy drinkers, mainly beer and shots. She’s not a particularly heavy drinker and only likes wine/G&t. She’s not physical at all and would get very upset if someone physically hurt her (fair enough!). So basically she wouldn’t just fit in to the stag like “one of the lads” - she’d stick out like a sore thumb.

Anyway, things have kicked off as she’s messaged the group (both men and women) WhatsApp complaining that DFriend and his best man are being sexist by not inviting her. She says she’s a close friend of his and the only reason she’s not invited is because she’s a woman. DFriend rang me really upset as it’s not true at all. He says to be honest he’s not particularly close to her, never spends one on one time with her or anything and just doesn’t want her there. Nothing to do with her being a woman, just (a) he doesn’t like her enough to want her there and (b) knows she wouldn’t want to do any of the stuff they’ll be doing and will just be a pain.

I really feel for him. I’m a feminist and would be the first to call out sexism if I thought it was there. But in this case I think she’s just being a pain and upsetting DFriend without a real reason. Personally I think she should make more effort with the women and then maybe she wouldn’t feel left out as she would probably be invited on the hen. Don’t really know what to advise DFriend to reply as he can’t really say “I just don’t like you that much” without causing a lot of upset!

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OP posts:
LillianBland · 21/06/2020 10:26

I have a male friend who is in a wheelchair and cannot drink due to medication. He has never been excluded from stags, because he can’t paintball and get pissed. It doesn’t change the dynamic at all. So that’s bollocks.

He’s still a bloke, so that doesn’t actually prove anything.

AhhCorona · 21/06/2020 10:30

I was the token girl on an engineering course and living in a big student house. I felt really quite excluded when I wasn't invited on the stag nights - so I was okay to hang out with for five years, go on holiday with, witnessed when you failed to pull or just wanted a quiet pint.
Women on social nights do change the dynamic but I softened the atmosphere and showed how equal rights could be a reality.
Not all people want a polorised pink and blue society.

category12 · 21/06/2020 10:32

It's a bit ouch for her not to be invited to either hen or stag, if she's the only one out of the friendship group. I understand why, but it's still harsh.

macaronilemonpony · 21/06/2020 10:32

Stay well out of it! If she's not invited then she's not - let the best man handle it.
I had a hen that was 50% boys as they were my mates but I chose that as I'm as close to them in our grp as the girls. If the groom doesn't want her there then that's his perogative...

WeeMadArthur · 21/06/2020 10:33

Well if being the only woman on the stag do wouldn’t change the dynamic, then being an uninvited woman who then threw a strop to get invited when the stag didn’t want her there certainly will.

Carolbaskinstiger · 21/06/2020 10:35

Again - to those who are saying it’s sexist - why then should the grooms mother, sisters, and indeed even dw (to be) not all join in?

NotQuiteUsual · 21/06/2020 10:41

I get where she's coming from, I really do. All her friends are doing something and she's not included. But she's made the decisions that led her here. She could have made equal effort with everyone, but instead excluded possible friends based on their sex. Now the same is happening to her.

I don't think a woman will necessarily change the dynamic of a stag do, but the groom doesn't want her there and that's that. She needs to bite her tongue and use this as a chance to grow up a bit. She can't not bother with people socially based on their sex.

Brefugee · 21/06/2020 10:43

Ah, she's a "i'm not like other girls" cool girl, isn't she? Let your friend sort it out. He's right not to invite her though. He should invite his close friends only - the ones he wants to be with.

GazingAndGrazing · 21/06/2020 10:56

How embarrassing

I wouldn’t get involved, no response needed to fuel her drama.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 21/06/2020 11:02

Why on earth would she want to go?

All blokes, drinking too much, getting rowdy (and yes - probably making loud, "laddish" overtures to groups of women). Swearing constantly. Having drinking competitions. Throwing up everywhere. P*ssing in alleyways. Playing stupid "jokes" on each other. Possibly getting into a fight.

Why would any woman want to be part of that.

And yes - it really changes the dynamic. Not just because they might feel that they have to limit their obnoxiousness to accommodate her (and why should they- it's a stag), but also because if there's a lot of alcohol involved, she's likely to feel the effects before they do (because she's female, smaller, and ler body deals less well with alcohol) and then they will be responsible for her - making sure she isn't left behind, doesn't get raped or molested, gets home okay.

If they all get bladdered and forget her somewhere, and she is robbed or assaulted - what then? Or she ends up shagging someone from the group, changing the relationships and also betraying her boyfriend = what then?

It's a stupid narcissistic look-at-me-I'm-playing-with-the-big-boys attitude and she has no right to make a fuss about it. Of course they don't want her there.

Reedshoes · 21/06/2020 11:05

Again - to those who are saying it’s sexist - why then should the grooms mother, sisters, and indeed even dw (to be) not all join in

@Carolbaskinstiger

You’re right to question that and of course most men wouldn’t want their close female family members there. It’s been men on stag doo’s and women on hen doo’s historically for time.

And knowing what some of them get up to ie strippers and prostitutes and the like, I can’t imagine they’d want their mam and sister to see that....

But talking it on face value and saying women can’t go on stag doo’s, simply because they aren’t men, would be considered as sexism by many.

Personally I don’t view it as sexism per se and I can completely understand why men wouldn’t want women there especially the in-laws or mothers.

VickyEadieofThigh · 21/06/2020 11:08

I'll say upfront that I regard many stag and hen dos with my beady, disapproving eye (I think they're increasingly a waste of money - which some of the participants cannot afford but feel obliged to join when invited - and can be very intrusive to others).

Having said that, adults can invite whoever they choose to their events, nights/weekends/whole weeks etc. Tradition has it that only men go on stags, women on hens.

Many years ago I was the only woman on a stag night (it was in the olden days, when a stag do was just a pub crawl and then a curry). This was because my university boyfriend had taken me home with him for the weekend and it turned out to be one of his old school pals' stag do - so both of us were invited.

It was crap. My presence entirely changed it for the blokes, who toned down their language (fucking ludicrous as far as I was concerned, but they didn't know that), drinking and behaviour.

Mummyshark2018 · 21/06/2020 11:10

It is sexist. They're upholding traditional rituals which are based on sex. She's good enough when they're hanging out normally but not for this event. She shouldn't have to make more effort with the girls to fit in, no more than the men should. If I were her I'd be reconsidering my friendships and whether they are what they really are.

Carolbaskinstiger · 21/06/2020 11:22

@mummyshark2018 ffs the op states that groom said he doesn’t even spend any time with her one to one. And again - as a bride, I chose not invite my male friends on my hen do - as is my fucking right - should I have invited them so as not to support the patriarchy?

missrks · 21/06/2020 11:22

This post reminded me of this girl's TikTok posts

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Lindy2 · 21/06/2020 11:26

Although she's a friend she'd completely change the dynamics of an all male stag do if she was invited.

It's not her party so she doesn't get to demand to go. She's probably irreversibly damaged the friendship already now. Don't get involved.

Also, I think you need to prepare yourselves that after marriage and especially after babies most friendship groups like this dwindle. Time for her to grow up.

Otterseatpuffinsdontthey · 21/06/2020 11:27

Q

Macncheeseballs · 21/06/2020 11:38

One of the husbands of someone on my hen do tried to muscle in cos he 'likes female company' - no feckin way, would have completely changed the dynamics

Tistheseason17 · 21/06/2020 11:43

I'd tell him to ignore her.

She won't be at the stag or hen party and this should give her some time to reflect on how she builds relationships!

Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 11:46

@Macncheeseballs

One of the husbands of someone on my hen do tried to muscle in cos he 'likes female company' - no feckin way, would have completely changed the dynamics
Because he was a husband of one of your friends though. What if he had been your close male friend?
Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 11:49

@notacooldad

Tbh the only thing sexist in your post is you saying she should have made more of an effort with the women. No - women don’t have to make effort with other women just because they’re women I get the point the OP was making. It is a big friendship group but the woman has relied on only being pals with the guys instead of being friends with all.
OP said the women were the girlfriends of the original male friends so it sounds like this friend was expected to be friends with the women in the group JUST because they are the same sex. I completely disagree with that. You make friends with those you connect with, you shouldn't have to be segregated by sex.
Gwenhwyfar · 21/06/2020 11:51

"How can we fight for female only spaces if the uninitiated are fighting to be included in a stag do. Face Palm"

Eh? A hen do is not a female only space. Many of them happen in public places where men are present.

Neepers · 21/06/2020 11:52

The bottom line is she sees herself as one of the lads, but they don’t.

KeepingPlain · 21/06/2020 11:54

How can she say she is one of the lads when she doesn't like doing the stuff they do? Confused Being one of the lads means you do the stuff they do, for the most part at least. Can't just say you are one of the lads because you have no female friends.

She may not be after any of them as such, but she definitely thinks of them as hers and the girlfriends/wives are below her. As someone else said, she's in for a shock when they all start moving on in life, and she's already seeing that. She isn't one of them, she's just someone they put up with.

I'll bet she will start flirting with them more soon, to try and reel them in again. Keep an eye on that one.

Tlollj · 21/06/2020 11:56

She thought she was a special cool girl mate. Turns out she’s not.
Keep out of it op the groom can invite who he wants.

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