To think someone from Ozark should be arrested

[notevenat20]

I just watched episode 6 of the first series of Ozark. In it a 15 year old girl is shown having sex with a man presumably aged at least 21. The whole thing is dealt with casually as if it’s a normal thing for the man to have done.

Isn’t this just paedophilia and isn’t it actually illegal to show depictions of paedophilia, even if they are not real? Surely the police should at least talk to someone at Ozark.

[NameChange84]

@BillysMyBunny

Errr. Yes, but it’s not an adult woman pretending to be a child doing the scene itself is it? It’s a child that’s been put in that position and a child that is having to perform like that towards an adult man...it’s a little girl that’s having to act all that.

[notevenat20]

iwilltaketwoplease That's bad. They man could (and probably should) get 2 years in jail.

[NameChange84]

To be clear, I was concerned for the welfare of the child actress and unhappy that a little girl was under duress to perform the seduction scene of an adult man. I did wonder what on Earth her parents were thinking allowing that.

[Pollypocket89]

But it's not real, no crime, no odd hypothetical jail term... Why are you this invested?

[notevenat20]

Morgan12 Obviously there are greater sins than a popular TV show showing a 15 year old having sex with a 21 year old and implying he has done nothing wrong. But that doesn't make it right.

[notevenat20]

Pollypocket89 It may or may not be a crime to show on TV but the fact it isn't real is a weird defence and just doesn't align with the law. If you make photo realistic images of child abuse and are caught, you are going to jail and so should you.

[SadSisters]

People acting out child abuse where the context is that the man has done no wrong is not OK

I completely understand why it makes you uncomfortable and you don’t want to watch it. But that’s very different from it being illegal and requiring someone to be arrested. That simply isn’t the case.

For future reference, when you play something on Netflix a warning pops up on the top left of the screen saying if the show depicts violence / sex / abuse etc. That may help you avoid things you don’t want to watch.

[notevenat20]

dayswithaY 'Im confused by your argument too. In the scene, Charlotte lies and tells the man she is older than 15.

That's not right. He asks how old she is, clearly thinking she is too young. She doesn't reply. He then asks if she is old enough to drink and she says no. Then they have sex.

[titchy]

The entire programme is people doing things wrong and getting away with it - that's the point of the show!

[Itwasntme1]

It’s a tv show. Tv shows often depict criminal and immoral activity. They don’t always then show the offenders getting their comeuppance. Most viewers however know what is happening in wrong, that is part of the viewer experience.

Yes, absolutely it’s wrong and if it was real life there is a possibility the activity would result in criminal charges (If the activity was discovered by Or reported to the authorities).

But you were watching a tv show not real life.

[BillysMyBunny]

Aaah okay. Yes, I can see your point on that one if the actress is a child. To be honest I had assumed the actress was older than the age of the child as most child-actors always seem to look very young for their age, so someone playing a 10 year old is often 14 for example. But I don’t know in this case.

I assume though that there must be a lot of rules around child actors being made to act out/ portray illegal acts and how to maintain their welfare. There are films where child actors have adults acting out violence towards them or where children have to act out murder or other crimes and I would hope there are a lot of rules to ensure their wellbeing before, during and after such scenes.

[Pollypocket89]

@notevenat20 I think that's where pp are struggling, that you keep saying just because it's not real doesn't make it OK. 90% of TV, theatre etc involve depicting illegal or immoral things... Why are you so invested in 1 scene from a streamed service!

[notevenat20]

SadSisters The legal defence people here are proposing seems to be that she says she is 15 not 12. Is that right? Would it be OK to make pornography where the women pretend to be 13?

[Pollypocket89]

? not!

[titchy]

For future reference, when you play something on Netflix a warning pops up on the top left of the screen saying if the show depicts violence / sex / abuse etc.

This ^^

[crispysausagerolls]

I wish that people would understand the difference between:
Paedophilia - children under 11
Hebephilia - typically 11-14
Epohebophilia - 15-19

There’s a fucking huge difference.

[steff13]

In the US you're not old enough to drink when you're 18.

[titchy]

Would it be OK to make pornography where the women pretend to be 13?

OP ITS NOT REAL!!!!!

Actually yes, although abhorrent, it is in fact legal to make porn film where the adult pretends to be 13. As several have pointed out.

[Pollypocket89]

Nobody is having sex. Nobody is making pornography.

Cancel your Netflix subscription, it doesn't sound like it's for you

[NewNewt]

Ozark was first filmed in 2017, when the actress playing Charlotte was 17.

[NoPointInWednesdays]

Oh my word.....the worlds going mad! It’s not real and the girl who plays Charlotte was 18 at the time therefore no crime has been committed! Honestly with all due respect , you really need to find something better to focus your time on either that or give 101 a call.....like the police don’t have actual crimes to investigate ( including ACTUAL cases of child abuse and not a fictional tv program )

[SadSisters]

Would it be OK to make pornography where the women pretend to be 13?

Yes - from a legal perspective. It’s not illegal to make pornography where adult women pretend to be teenagers. I find the idea repulsive, but it’s not illegal.

Indecent images of children are illegal where the subject of the image is actually a child. Adults who look young and who are pretending to be younger than they are are not captured by this.

So the point isn’t that because the girl being depicted is 15, it’s fine for her to be having sex with an adult. The point is that because the actress is an adult, nobody is making or distributing indecent images of a child. The actress would actually have to be a child for that to be the case.

[notevenat20]

titchy OP ITS NOT REAL!!!!! Actually yes, although abhorrent, it is in fact legal to make porn film where the adult pretends to be 13. As several have pointed out.

So the cut off is at 12? That's pretty sick.

[NameChange84]

@BillysMyBunny she was 10 or 11 during filming, playing a 9 year old (who might actually be 30). She’s clearly a child and not an older teenager.

As I said, I doubt it would have got past Child Licensing here. I know a lot about this area from personal experience. I don’t think things are as stringent in the US or other parts of the world and there is little concern for child actors in Hollywood. It’s no secret that child performers are often sexually abused by those in power and many of their parents happily turn a blind eye.

[notevenat20]

SadSisters Indecent images of children are illegal where the subject of the image is actually a child. Adults who look young and who are pretending to be younger than they are are not captured by this.

I believe that is wrong. See for example: www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/indecent-and-prohibited-images-children

"
Photograph/ Pseudo-Photograph or Prohibited Image?

In deciding whether the image before you is a photograph/ pseudo-photograph or a prohibited image apply the following test:

If the image was printed would it look like a photograph (or a pseudo-photograph)?

If it would then it should be prosecuted as such. For example, some high quality computer generated indecent images may be able to pass as photographs and should be prosecuted as such. The CPS has had successful prosecutions of computer-generated images as pseudo-photographs."