To think someone from Ozark should be arrested

[notevenat20]

I just watched episode 6 of the first series of Ozark. In it a 15 year old girl is shown having sex with a man presumably aged at least 21. The whole thing is dealt with casually as if it’s a normal thing for the man to have done.

Isn’t this just paedophilia and isn’t it actually illegal to show depictions of paedophilia, even if they are not real? Surely the police should at least talk to someone at Ozark.

@notevenat20

Pollypocket89 WTAF?!?!

She's right.

That aside, a lot of what's in TV programs is illegal. Tv would be (even more) tedious if it was all Gardner's world.

15/21 is not an uncommon age gap, at least it wasn't when I was 15.

CuriousaboutSamphire. If you could dig out the legislation about depictions of paedophilia (which aren’t real) that would be very helpful too.

I wonder if some people here are actually in the US right now. I am referring only to the UK not the US.

OP you do realise it's not a documentary don't you? They are acting. She isn't actually underage. She isn't actually having sex.

People need to learn the difference between paedophile and hebephile. You may not like it but it's the lawful definition.

@hopingtobedally
"So if a 50 year old grooms and sleeps with a 15 year old he's not a paedophile?"

No, he's committed lots of offences and would be required to sign on the sexual offenders register, but he isn't a paedophile, unless the girl looked very young and that's what he was attracted to. In most cases of 14 + sex offences, it's a case of preying on a vulnerable people.

OP, I get the point that underage sex shouldn't be used as entertainment. It took quite a while to get the same thought about rape. There used to be rape and sexual assault scenes for the hell of it. People now even question if nudity is needed.

The issue is that it means loads of dramas and films wouldn't be able to be aired. If it was being made today, it wouldn't be shown. This is a decent quality, well acted, good plot series and the scene isn't gratuitous. So I'm conflicted.

@notevenat20 but lots of things are broadcast here which depict things which are illegal. Breaking Bad, The Wire, Killing Eve, Dexter.

@NewNewt

Bit the actress was probaby over 16 when this was filmed about 6 years ago? plus they were acting so didn't actually have sex? I think you should direct your efforts against actual paedophiles.

Exactly. Age of actor here is over 18.

Do you call the police about drug taking, car theft or murders being shown on tv? They’re all illegal?

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine

I would like any reference to under age sex (particularly where the man is 21) on TV to be clear that it is abuse. I would also like Netflix to be contacted by the police and given a warning.

I would also like Netflix to be contacted by the police and given a warning.

What for?

I think we're definitely majority UK and understand exactly what you're saying... Its still not paedophilia and its still a TV show about fictional events with no minor actors doing anything illegal...

It is illegal in the UK to possess images of paedophilia even if they are not real ImInYourMindFuzz. That is not true of the other things you mentioned.

Read that, it's quite good at explaining legal and social aspect, issues of defining someone as a paedophile.

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It is illegal in the UK to possess images of paedophilia even if they are not real

Totally irrelevant to this.

Do NOT watch Game of Thrones.

Email Mr Trump.

If you go into the Protection of children section, you will see the categories of 'sexual exploitation if a child or sexual exploitation etc of minors'

These offencers are not the same as paedophilia. Being convicted if a sexual crime against a minor does not make you a paedophile.

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So the scene isn't showing paedophilia.

If you don't like it then don't watch it.

better to Tweet Trump

The offences relating to indecent images of children in the U.K. are as follows:

• possession of an indecent photograph or pseudo photograph of a child, Criminal Justice Act 1998 – section 160(1)

• taking, making, distributing and sharing an indecent photograph or pseudo photograph of a child, Protection of Children Act 1978 – section 1(1)

Photograph can include film, but not usually cartoons (those are covered under separate legislation).

I haven’t seen Ozark, but presumably the actress playing the 15 year old is not herself a child? If she is, you may have a point. But if she isn’t, the legislation doesn’t capture this scenario. For it to be an indecent image of a child, the subject has to actually be a child.

For clarification, ‘pseudo image’ doesn’t mean ‘adult pretending to be a child’. Pornography depicting adults pretending to be young teenagers is legal (although disgusting). ‘Pseudo photograph’ means edited or photoshopped images depicting actual children, manipulated to make it appear that they’re engaged in sexual acts.

So as long as the actress in question is an adult, nothing illegal has been done.

There are a lot of things that are illegal in the UK that are shown in tv programmes or films.

I think you just need move on. It's a depiction. It's not real life, it's not a documentary!

@notevenat20

CrowdedHouseinQuarantine

I would like any reference to under age sex (particularly where the man is 21) on TV to be clear that it is abuse. I would also like Netflix to be contacted by the police and given a warning.

Is she serious?

I love Ozark.

I know the bit you mean. It’s clear - from subsequent scenes- that the daughter feels taken advantage of and that she regrets losing her virginity in that way. In many places it’s pretty normal for someone 15/16 to end up seeing an older lad of 20/21 which is how they are depicted. It’s a story, not real life is it? The girl / woman is acting. It’s actually pretty clear it’s dodgy.

Oh ffs.

This may be one of the strangest threads I’ve ever read on MN and I’ve been around a while

I haven’t seen Ozark but I remember feeling this way about the little girl in the film Orphan which I saw on Netflix. There are scenes including one in particular where she dresses up in a sexy dress puts makeup on and attempts to seduce her adoptive father who she’s drugged. Really, really messed up seen and it was between a child (I think she was about 10 or 11) a man in his 30s. I found it really disturbing and I doubt this kind of scene would be allowed with child performers licensing in the UK.

But bottom line is, if it’s an adult actor who looks underage then it’s fine and actually very common in the acting world. I take it you haven’t seen the Nick/Eden scene in The Handmaid’s Tale! Now that really was sickening (man in his 30s forced marriage to a teenager, had to have sex with her to prove he wasn’t gay) but the actress just looked very young and her character was young whilst she herself was actually 18.

How do you feel about the depiction on stage or screen about the relationship between Romeo and Juliet? Or even Mary and Joseph in the Bible? Historically and culturally 'normal', as was a relationship between a 15 and 21 year old when I was a teenager in England. Not now, not here, but yes to then and there.