Am I the only person who doesn't know any trans people?

[LaureBerthaud]

Non goady question.

I don't know any, work with any or come across any trans people. Now it could be that they've done such a good job of transitioning that I don't notice, but where are they?

If you don’t know any teenagers it is fairly rare in the adult population, just they are quite vocal, as are their supporters. I know a ton of teenagers, so can think of 9 kids off the top of my head (7 are girls who are presenting male at this point in time), and 2 adults.

I don't know any either. Or does gender fluid (pronoun they) mean someone is trans?

My DS has a trans boy in his year at school though.

I know only 3, and they are all the most entitled man-hating women I've ever met.
They all use the # cargirl and # girlmechanic and it drives me batty.

If you said that on Twitter you would be told you need to Educate yourself and you probably know a dozen who haven’t told you.

Then they will bring intersex conditions into the conversation and yet still somehow make it all about TW.

There’s a guy I know at work. I’ve never met his wife but I have thought before that she looks like a transsexual. I’ve worked with him for years and never asked anyone if she was born a man. None of my business and makes absolutely no difference. From his social media posts, and things others we work with have said, they seem very well matched, cute and happy together. I think they’re in their late 50s.

The oldest transwoman I know is about 70 now. The youngest are a raft of girls caught in social contagion who are all 18-20 but announced they were boys about 4 years ago. Ironically about 11 years ago I was researching gender transitioners and had a LOT of 15/16yo girls contacting me asking to take part. I wasn’t allowed to accept them to the study as I didn’t have clearance for under-age participants. (Should add that I don’t count participants as ‘people I know’ but I find it interesting that this tsunami of female youth desperate to escape their biology was clearly starting at that point.)
I am a guide leader and know of a five year old being raised as a girl who is male. I had a lengthy discussion with the uber woke leader who was proudly welcoming the little boy that it might be more of an issue when he arrived in my unit with a bunch of teenage girls whose parents were likely to find the presence of a penis in their daughter’s tent more of an issue.
Except obvs no one is allowed to tell them.
There also a few adult transwomen that I see around town. And one who runs the mandatory gender training at work.

I've got a teenage DD and teenage DSS and 20 something DSD. They don't know any trans people either.

How are they gaining so much power and influence?

To the best of my knowledge I've only ever met one trans person. This is a man who transitioned fully to become a TW. I worked with him for a few months in 1985. I also worked for the literary agents who represented the travel writer Jan Morris although never met her. That's it afaik.

Well, technically, I come under the trans umbrella as I don’t have a gender - I’m a woman but I don’t identify as a woman. I just am one. I don’t think that’s rare on the MN boards. But I’d never refer to myself or consider myself as trans. I’m not. But technically I could claim a badge.

To answer your question properly. I’m not aware of any trans people in my life.

To my knowledge I don’t know any. I’m a secondary school teacher and have been for 10 years. I did know a young girl who presented as a boy for a couple of years (not a student of mine) but she is now an adult and is presenting female again.

I've known quite a few cross dressers over the years. They'd be trans now I guess, although that doesn't change the fact that it's the same old kink it's always been 🙍

Smallsteps genuine question, not goady I want to understand, what does this really mean and why is it important to you? I ask this because I don't conform to gender stereotypes and never have. And I think that's probably easier as a woman than as a man. But what's the difference between that and having no gender?

I know of one trans person. Neither of my teen DC's does. When I was having chemo my nurse was a trans woman but that's all.

Not personally, there are a couple of local ‘characters’ that are obviously men but I wouldn’t know if they have had a full op. One works in the co-op and is probably late 50s, female uniform, name tag and a lot of make-up but sounds like Ray Winstone.

@Pinklynx I'm starting off my post the same way by saying genuine question 😊 but what do you mean when you say not confirming to gender stereotypes? I mean to you personally (if that's not too personal a question).

Y DD's best friend is Trans, female to male. Although he had bloods done as part of his process to transition and found his low levels could be the reason for some symptoms and it's made him wonder if he is trans.

All of the trans female to male, that my middle DD went to school with, have gone back to being female. Some still present as maleish and are lesbian, but are no longer trans. They are middle 20's and older.

I don't like the importance placed on gender and would like the definition to go back to transsexual. We'd got rid of gender, but that scared a lot of men, so they got behind the trans movement. Which is why it's gained power. That and it eroding women's rights.

I also know people from shops etc, but no one personally.

Nope. And I dont have any bame friends either as live in a super white area 🤷‍♀️

Yeah I know loads of TW. I am very active in the rock music scene and have a lot of trans friends from there. One I knew from before transition, the others I have only ever known as they are now.

Despite being a terfy old terf according to twitter and literally killing dozens of transpeople with my nasty thoughts on a daily basis, I get on well with most of them. Well apart from one who is a flamboyant diva type and gets on my nerves!

Oddly in view of the current stats I only know one transman, the child of an old schoolfriend. Possibly because I am in my 50s so no real contact with teens (my kids are too old and my grandkids too young).

Megatron I've never been a particularly girly person, even as a young woman. Always much more interested in football, cricket other sports than a lot of my friends who are much more interested in cake baking, clothes, make up etc. Even as a child I used to play tag with the boys and didn't feel comfortable with the girls that used to play fantasy games. Obviously I'm not unique and there are a lot of girls and women like me, which is why I'm talking about stereotypes.

I suppose that's why I asked the question as I think there's a lot less pressure to conform to gender stereotypes than there was when I was a child. For instance, I think my parents thought I was a bit odd having the interests I did.

To clarify: the two adults I know are both born female, certainly on a lot of hormones judging by the beards, don’t know what other medical interventions they may have had. Of the kids, one while I worked with her went back and forth and with two exceptions the others I will not be surprised to find have reverted to female (I don’t work them currently). The boys presenting as female, hard to say. One is on the spectrum and has significant mental health issues, the other I don’t know well, just by sight.

@Pinklynx thank you for answering. It's interesting to me as I was very similar as a child (always called a tomboy in those days) for the same reasons and DD is the same, although we both very much identity as women. I've never really thought of it as unusual, just the way I am really. I've always looked quite 'girly' (horrible term) but my interests are considered by others not to be iykwim.

I know of a child at the school. 15 I think. Trans girl.

I know of a young adult (I vaguely know the parents) who is one of the very sudden onset transmen (after she started university). AFAIK has had surgery. ALL the surgery.

A friend’s child has thankfully morphed from a transboy into a radical lesbian feminist, which was good news to all.

I don’t know any adults.

Megatron I guess it just seemed unusual because other people used to comment on it a lot and my mother thought I was a bit odd and made it obvious she did. I'm also quite tall and athletic looking so don't look feminine either. Apart from my interests though I feel very much a woman I think because of my experiences and my female body. It's an interesting discussion though.

And apologies for saying girly, just couldn't think of a better word at this time in the morning (insomnia!).