Am I the only person who doesn't know any trans people?

[LaureBerthaud]

Non goady question.

I don't know any, work with any or come across any trans people. Now it could be that they've done such a good job of transitioning that I don't notice, but where are they?

Nope! Not one! I wasn’t aware feeling transgender is so common we are all meant to have at least one trans mate in our lives, or know someone who is.

Also some people tend to confuse transgender with non gender confirmist eg Jeffery Star is not transgender !

Vikingwife is the difference that non gender conformist doesn't believe in gender stereotypes but wouldn't actually say they were the other sex?

@Pinklynx I too had a mother who subtly let it be known she found my interests “odd” or disappointing. She considers herself to be very progressive yet has privately told me it would devastate her if I were to be gay.

I seriously wish I was proper gay just to piss her off.

Don’t underestimate how Powerful disapproval from a parent can affect us ! I really hate how girls must like girls things & boys do boys. I loved cars, science, video games... lots of things more boys were into. I only asked for one doll (Little Miss Makeup but disliked cabbage patch dolls & barbies.

We should encourage children to have interests no matter what gender they are associated with !

@Pinklynx just mean your hobbies don’t dictate your gender!

Jeffree is a bloke. He says he sees himself as a guy, he doesn’t care if you call him she, but for fans & people who know who he is, jeffree is a HE. He often refers to himself as a “faggot” (he is indeed a contentious personality)

He just Doesn’t confirm to any gender ideals, but is not transitioning. Tbh I feel though he is problematic he has transcended to a level above regular transitioning, he has done a lot for non gender conforming people, especially boys who love makeup. Still think James Charles is a better overall role model, who is also gender non-conformist.

As it is I think us girls do tend to have it easier that I can chuck on jeans & a baggy t shirt & still be seen as a woman. But if a boy puts on a dress people will talk !

And apologies for saying girly, just couldn't think of a better word at this time in the morning (insomnia!).

Not at all @Pinklynx, I used it too, I couldn't think of another one either but I fear that at 53 I'm a long way off a 'girl' anymore. 😁

I actually think it is important to have role models like jeffree Star - not everyone wants to or should cut their genitals up to create new sex organs. Studies have shown there are Thai transsexual ladyboys who have gotten this op done in Thailand & experienced mental health issues post transition surgery, because they had false expectations of what positive effects they thought losing their penis would give them.

If you come out of that op still feeling dysphoric, or your life doesn’t suddenly change like you thought it would, this can lead to a very deep depression.

Yes, one younger family member who is a trans man. He’s been identifying as a man for about 10 years now.

I use ‘he’ out of respect but obviously I know he’s female. I feel very protective of him. Autistic, mental health problems and an alcohol problem are just some of the struggles.

I know one 23 year old transsexual. She has just got her first female passport which is obviously a major milestone in her transition. I respect her choice and am happy to use whatever pronouns she prefers but having known her since she was a baby it is hard to get it right every time.

@Quarantimespringclean

I know one 23 year old transsexual. She has just got her first female passport which is obviously a major milestone in her transition. I respect her choice and am happy to use whatever pronouns she prefers but having known her since she was a baby it is hard to get it right every time.

I agree, it’s hard to get pronouns right. I found this article helped to explain why: fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Idk anyone either. My friend, who has a dd a few years older than mine said there were a lot of girls trying out being boys - she was very eye rolly about apparently it and said she couldn’t keep up. She would have been at the end of yr8 or start of yr9 at the time. Dd is in the first year of secondary, yr7 (ages 10-11) so I expect it’s only a matter of time before she notices people, especially girls, who tend to experience rapid onset dysphoria and have a tendency to copy one another.

Everyone is trans according to the stonewall umbrella. I know a lot of trans people ranging in ages. Most don’t deny biology and don’t want to shit on women’s rights. Except the blue haired kids.

I know two my dd age that are transitioning both probably on the spectrum but very awkward teen girls . It's scary .
I use to know a man that was a customer who always looked so feminine despite being tall he had tiny hands and a female face but I think it was just unlucky genetics because I cant see how he could have been both female but who knows .

I know two, both very old friends, met in different cities completely separately. I actually wonder if it's a bit because I have no innate sense of gender that maybe they were both drawn to me when we were very young. It was very, very rare then. I saw both suffer under the policies in place at the time (re: jumping through hoops with distressing psych treatment, cruel comments from 'friends' and mocking etc). But despite how much I care for both of them I think the current climate is toxic, repressive, very misogynistic and deeply worrying from a free speech and critical thought point of view. Not to mention the utter hypocrisy and offensiveness of the threats of violence on twitter.
I don't ask these friends about these things, but I know one of them did not think TW should play women's sport but was herself unable to say so publicly.

I have two friends who are trans men. One is early forties, one mid thirties if that’s relevant! But I met plenty of trans men and women when I worked in diversity & inclusion years ago. All of them were very pleasant and normal! Some ‘passed’ exceptionally well so it’s possible you know some but aren’t aware of it.

I know a trans woman in their 40s, who is an activist and artist, very vocal about their transition and trans rights, they announced their transition about 5 years ago. They are a good person, a parent and make a positive contribution to society. As a feminist i do find some of their narrative and dialogue really problematic and wrestle with myself over it. Recently they stated that the people who have a problem with the trans community seem to be middle aged menopausal women - this really got my back up, as they are now referring to their peers in that age bracket (inc. The mother of their child). My feelings are that trans women cannot fully understand the lived experience of women and our battle for equal rights just as we cannot fully understand the lived experience of a trans woman. And I worry about shared spaces, I worry about that for my daughter. Sigh.

No. None at my school, one teen girl at DCs school presenting as a boy. Years ago I taught a v sad and lonely boy who wanted to be a girl, he was gay I think. There is a child that also goes on hold where we go one holiday and none of the children (10 ish) know if they are a girl or boy.

Yes, two of my fairly close friends are and I have two aquaintaces who are.

I've had a transwoman and transman colleague, both of whom were lovely. TW did look v much like a man with a midlife crisis in her motorbike leathers but nevermind. She was fantastic as a human being.

Met teenagers through work - every single one had traumatic home lives and a strong sense that if home wasn't traumatic, they wouldn't be trans but no way could you say that.

And through my other job, a load of transwoman sex offenders. They are NOT WOMEN.

So many of you sound so hateful. I just don't get it. At the very least live and let live.

If there are any trans people reading this please know that you do have supporters.

@MumofBees

So many of you sound so hateful. I just don't get it. At the very least live and let live.

If there are any trans people reading this please know that you do have supporters.

I know right..... look at all of us threatening others to die in a fire or choke on our dicks. We are so hateful.

None currently, although 2 in the past.
One you wouldn't know. Just living a quiet life, like most people.

The other... Was just not a nice person. Housemate at university. Thought they could treat as like crap because they were taking online hormones. We wanted to be supportive, but they just wanted people to shout out and blame. According to him, we were all transphobes and mean and chucked them out of the house for no reason. Anyone who knew him or us knew exactly what happened.

It's people like the second who shout the loudest and are violent with it that form people's negative opinions.

So many of you sound so hateful. I just don't get it. At the very least live and let live.If there are any trans people reading this please know that you do have supporters

Hateful? Please highlight the hateful posts to us @MumofBees

Talking of hateful, check out this lovely lot in the photo

@MumofBees

So many of you sound so hateful. I just don't get it. At the very least live and let live.

If there are any trans people reading this please know that you do have supporters.

It would be great if you could clarify what exactly a trans person is? Are you using the Stonewall Trans Umbrella which includes cross-dressers?

My elderly aunt is very concerned that a male-bodied person will be able provide intimate care to her (which includes replacing a catheter), just by declaring that they identify as a woman.

Dh uncle was ( probably still is) a cross dresser. Although no one has seen him dressed up apart from his ex wife. In his 60s quiet bloke.

I know trans woman through a friend. They were friends partner who is recently diagnosed as autistic. You would 100% know as they look like a butch man in a wig.

Depends on what you define as trans really. If you go by stonewalls definition, you will know many transpeople, even if you dont know they are trans.

If you mean transsexual, then they are quite rare and tend to keep quiet that they are trans from what I have seen, and none of the screaming for constant attention that you get from activists either. So no, if using 'old fashioned' definitions, its definitely ot unusual to not know any transpeople.