You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

@Flaxmeadow

In response to you

Yes the working class
Not exclusive to white people.

The Barbary slave trade. This trade continued well into the 19th century
After the black slave trade.

Which actually very much is racism
It's misogyny, not exclusive to white people. This particular event was ratially motivated.

You invited white people to talk about this very thing in your thread.
No I didn't.
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Some of the members of those gangs were black and were convicted in courts of law*
What's your point?

Your claim is that white people are killing black people. In what numbers is this happening in England or in the USA
Search yourself. Www.google.co.uk

Because a high proportion of black people live in London.

But most don't

Yes they do.
www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/regional-ethnic-diversity/latest

Try being white and getting a job or buying a house in central Bradford
I'd love to but my skin colour prevents me from experiencing this privilege.

You can be white and poor and a minority in your neighbourhood and suffer racism and lack opportunity
Yoh can be white and poor and in a minority in your neighbourhood and suffer racial prejudice and opportunity.
This isn't about white people, though, so I don't care right now.

I was, for a few years, quite severely bullied and harassed in the workplace due to my skin colour (which is white). But, like most cases of bullying, this was due to the instigators own issues, not actual racism.

I'd love to but my skin colour prevents me from experiencing this privilege

My whole point was that white people are sometimes excluded from employment opportunities, restaurants for example, and buying houses in central Bradford.

This isn't about white people, though, so I don't care right now.

So why have you started 3 threads specifically asking white people about being the victims of racism?

Seriously racking my brains to think of a way that the Barbary slave trade is still affecting my life as a white person adversely in the 21st century. I may be some time...

And no, the Barbary slave trade was not predicated on some idea that white people were uniquely suitable to being slaves or that (to quote a charming racist of the mid-20th century) "emancipation made no difference as their colour had once and for all determined the course of their lives".

The Barbary pirates were colour-blind in the sense that they were happy to enslave people of any colour as long as they were not their co-religionists. They were also happy to let them free against a ransom, precisely because they did not believe that a certain race were somehow destined to be slaves forever.

This meant they did not have to develop a whole belief system around the genetic inferiority of the white race. As far as I am aware, no one ever has.

A lot of posters are asking what they can do.
It begins at home.
Evaluate every single thing you say or do.
Teach your children.
Read books by black people.
Watch films, documentaries, YouTube videos, whatever it takes to educate yourself.
Why I'm no loner talking to white people about race

the anger in this video really sums up white people's attitudes on these threads. An immediate defence. Stand with us. *Black Lives Matter I matter*

@WikkiTikkiWoo Thank you for using your experience of racial prejudice to relate to the movement instead of whataboutery.
Thank you

My whole point was that white people are sometimes excluded from employment opportunities, restaurants for example, and buying houses in central Bradford.
A) clue in your language sometimes
B) this isn't about white people or you
C) they aren't excluded based on their race

So why have you started 3 threads specifically asking white people about being the victims of racism?
Point to me where I specifically asked white people about their experiences of racial prejudice.

Tell that to the white girls raped in Rotherham

Seriously racking my brains to think of a way that the Barbary slave trade is still affecting my life as a white person adversely in the 21st century. I may be some time...
Maybe Flax knows.
@Flaxmeadow?

@Flaxmeadow try being my sisters and being prevented from getting a job due to your natural hair.

Try being my family being excluded from employment due to your skin colour in more than one city and one town in the UK.

Try being two of my siblings and being prevented from viewing housing to buy in more than one city in the UK due to your skin colour. (Didn't work the second time as the home owner happily showed him round when he knocked on the door and sold it to him to the estate agents "surprise".)

Tell that to the white girls raped in Rotherham

Addressed many times.
Misogyny.

These orgies of re-education achieve precisely nothing, imo.

It's really not so very hard. White women don't need to drag themselves through another thread of abuse to be anti-racist.

Instead of wasting time on this thread, I'd suggest white people choose an organisation or charity that centres BIPOC people (for me, I always choose an organisation that benefits women and girls of colour, and indigenous literacy organisations are also favourites of mine) and send them some cold, hard cash.

Better than all the ritual weeping and wailing and self-flagellation that seems to be called for in this endless series of threads. Take money, put where mouth is.

I read quite an interesting interview by the (Muslim) lawyer who brought the Rotherham gang to justice. He pointed out that his next job after that was to prosecute a predominantly non-Muslim gang who'd committed similar crimes.

The papers didn't want to know.

Isn't the title of this thread racist?

I expect this point has been made on the other threads, but I think attempts to change the definition of racism to include a power element are doomed to fail. It's a recent thing and goes counter to how most people (and the dictionary) would define it.

However, I would say that systemic/structural racism is obviously much worse than run-of-the-mill bigotry, and right now our attention should be purely focussed on the systemic racism that black people face. Anyone's attempts to derail the national conversation with "A black person was mean to me once" comments are poor taste right now.

*I read quite an interesting interview by the (Muslim) lawyer who brought the Rotherham gang to justice. He pointed out that his next job after that was to prosecute a predominantly non-Muslim gang who'd committed similar crimes.

The papers didn't want to know.*

Let's do whataboutery.
What about white male paedophile rings?
What about the Catholic Church? Scouts?

Watching.

Isn't the title of this thread racist?

Nope. You aren't oppressed.

I do all those things and always have. I live in inner city London and am fully aware of the challenges faced by BAME people especially black youth in my area. I have a white teen and every time he goes out I know how unbelievably much easier I have it in knowing he's unlikely to be stopped and searched or approached negatively just because of the colour of his skin. I live in a house where my two immediate neighbours on either side are an elderly black couple and an interracial family who have four children. I would like to think they'd express confusion if you told them I was a racist as I was called on the last threat.

Finally something positive from you. If only we could have seen this earlier in this discussion.

Still think you're very wrong for attempting to exclude other posters from these threads.

I think a lot of white people don’t realise the extent to which every day life can be affected for black by the colour of their skin. For example, I was on holiday with a friend black friend (I’m white). When we bought something in a shop, I got my change in my hand and she got hers put on the table in front of her. I didn’t even notice until my friend made a comment about it. Another time when we drove together to a BBQ, we got out of the car and were just chatting ready to go in when another guest attended and said, to me, nice car. It was a very nice car which my friend had worked very hard for, but this person just assumed it was mine. We do the same job (lawyers) and clients often have a look of surprise to meet her and see that she is black.

These things sound minor but when they happen to you every day I Imagine it is a mix of infuriating and upsetting. I expect lots of these things happen without malice and without ill intention, but the effect is the same.

My friend actually said she prefers when people are overtly racist because at least then people seem to understand there’s a problem whereas the day to day stuff flies under the radar.

patricksrum I am someone who stated early in the threads that I think the racism/racial prejudice definitions have caused confusion but I’m with you on the substance of your posts and “evaluate everything you say and do” resonated with me for the reasons given in the first part of my post.

I expect this point has been made on the other threads, but I think attempts to change the definition of racism to include a power element are doomed to fail.
I disagree. Short of making up a new word, it's the only way to explain in a quick fashion.
Racism isn't a word to be defined by a few sentences. It's historic. It's systematic. It's oppression. It's slavery.

If only we could have seen this earlier in this discussion.
You obviously didn't read very far.

No, I read the whole thing, both threads