You're white you cannot experience racism 3

[PatricksRum]

And it continues. Thank you for those black people who took the time to share their stories once again.

@Whataloadofshite @BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup @CandyLeBonBon @WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee
Thank you all.

But op did say that, lemons many many posts ago. You’re still pushing her for an answer even though she’s already answered you. Why?

The crazy thing is that race, unlike sex, is largely a social construct
Sex is binary. Race is not
Black people and white people are more the same than they are different

But for centuries people acted like it was a dichotomy. Apartheid South Africa and The American Confederate states had rules to define who was black. They did that so they could keep black people inferior and enslaved.

Black people didn't ask to be defined as and treated differently and worse. Other people imposed that on them.

So now we should let them decide if they self define as black and stop telling them they are or aren't

In the context of racism racists decide for themselves who is black
They do it by looking mainly at skin colour but also at other racial characteristics.

I completely don't get the point of asking OP her definition.
You are black if you self define as such and/ or if others perceive you as black. What's difficult to understand about that.

To be clear: op did say it’s hard to define. Op did say that individual people will define it for themselves. She’s answered your question!

avrana

Do white people experience racism/systemic racism on the same scale as black people?

I would have to say yes.

In fact I can confirm it absolutely. Especially now that I am apparently not black.

Honestly, this is ridiculous now on both sides.

OP has been pushed into giving an answer to the unanswerable question of what black means. She gave conflicting answers because... It's not possible to define. I would also argue it doesn't matter whether we define it. You backed her into a corner.

Prejudice/racism/bullying/whatever you call it goes on between different groups of people. Denying that is an untenable position.

But this argument simply goes around in circles and is meaningless. It will do nothing to improve the world or the opinions of people in it.

@AvranaKernsBestSpider

Hooves.

Do men experience sexism on the same scale as women?

Do white people experience racism/systemic racism on the same scale as black people?

Do men experience it on the same scale - no and I didn't say they do.

Do white people experience racism on the same scale - well, some do yes, depending on who they are. How are you quantifying it?

OP, racism occurs when an ethnic group is oppressed and discriminated against.

There can be black on black racism e.g. The genocide in Rwanda. There can be white on white racism e.g. The hollocaust. There is racism in Asia, e.g ethnic cleansing of Rohingya people.

There is no black or white race. We are all the human race and what is called ‘racism’ goes right back to early civilisations and slavery.

Black People are not the only people to experience racism, but I have been in agreement with you that the racism faced by Black People is ongoing and structural, and not the same as an occasional slur.

I’m offended that you wont accept other experiences of racism.

I am Irish. I don’t know how it can be refuted that Irish people have faced racism and been oppressed. Tell my relatives who were killed that it wasn’t real and wasn’t racism, it was only ‘prejudice’.

Dreep why are you saying that?
OP said if you self define as black you are. She has never said you aren't black.

what the hell else is all the discussion of travellers and Irish people and even Welsh people at one point about?

It's about stating that other races and white people do experience racism, unlike the very misleading title
HTH.

@AvranaKernsBestSpider @qweryuiop
Thank you. I'm glad you picked up on that.
I repeatedly said I can't define it.
Then my head is getting stressed and clouded with the pressure and I'm like arghh

@Dreep

avrana

Do white people experience racism/systemic racism on the same scale as black people?

I would have to say yes.

In fact I can confirm it absolutely. Especially now that I am apparently not black.

Dreep In your (slightly specific and confusing!) case I think I agree with you

You are black if you self define as such and/ or if others perceive you as black. What's difficult to understand about that.

With that definition in mind, Is Rachel Dolezal black then?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Dolezal

avrana - The natural consequence of her stating there is no definition of black is that she cannot get to define who is represented by BLM but she continuously seeks to do so. That is the point she is missing. In asking her to define 'black' i know there is no exclusive defiinition but was hoping that in stating this she may reflect on the absurdity of her trying to make BLM an exclusive movement. She is unable to do this but at least I tried.

@LumaLou
I've stated quite a few times now.
Can you explain to me, as an Irish person, which facial features you have that are exclusive to Irish people?

The natural consequence of her stating there is no definition of black is that she cannot get to define who is represented by BLM but she continuously seeks to do so.
I never have. My only point has been ^BLM isn't about white people
BLM isn't BAME LM^

Lemons once more for you:

avrana - i refer you to the post above yours.

I think I give up now
Here's my summary of what I have heard from various posters:

All Lives Matter
Everyone suffers racism
No-one is privileged. That's offensive to say. That's like saying all white people are racists
I am poor I have it just as bad as you
What even is black anyway?
Black people dying in custody is cos there are more of them there cos they are criminals
Black people not getting into Oxbridge is because they don't get the grades cos they are stupid
Black people should explain this stuff to me carefully and politely if they are going to speak at all they had better not be angry or less than eloquent as that shows they are not worth listening to

Because it was said that black people had dark brown skin.

I’m sorry but I do not.

I shouldn’t have to self define. I am what I was born. I have no problem with that. I have nothing I need to define.

I thought it was obvious.

She wasn’t. Pushed into making a statement. She got bored of being asked and made an incorrect sweeping statement.

She didn’t get pushed enough to reply to my query about what I felt was a sly remark.

It can’t be both ways.

She doesn’t get to silence me and she doesn’t get to define me either. Pushed or not.

OP’s post at 17.33 and my post at 17:34 are saying the same thing.

@WokeUpSmeltTheCoffee

I think I give up now Here's my summary of what I have heard from various posters:

All Lives Matter
Everyone suffers racism
No-one is privileged. That's offensive to say. That's like saying all white people are racists
I am poor I have it just as bad as you
What even is black anyway?
Black people dying in custody is cos there are more of them there cos they are criminals
Black people not getting into Oxbridge is because they don't get the grades cos they are stupid
Black people should explain this stuff to me carefully and politely if they are going to speak at all they had better not be angry or less than eloquent as that shows they are not worth listening to

Well it's handy that the posts are their for people not see what you've written is a pile of hooey

patricks - try changing irish to black in your post to luma and see if you can answer your own question. Spoiler - you can't? Because as everyone on this thread seems to be able to acknowledge race is not that easy to define!

My only point has been ^BLM isn't about white people

Of course it's not.

Had your thread been AIBU - Black Lives Matter is not about white people then I reckon it would have been unanimously YANBU.

I shouldn’t have to self define
So you think other people should define your race?

avrana - no they are not.