To say I don't care what genitals the person in the next loo cubicle has...

[coronaandtired]

And that most people probably don't either?

I'm sick of the transphobia on Mumsnet, and fed up of how it seems to be fine on here to go after trans writers such as Juno Dawson, who is writing from their own experience and imagination, and absolutely allowed to publish whatever the fuck they want.

This seems like a taat

I care! I'm not transphobic. I'm female and entitled to single sex spaces. I'm gonna hazard a guess that most women do care. A lot

Bully for you.

I haven't been sexually assaulted or made to feel unsafe around men in my life, but I still don't want that.

I don't read many trans threads on here, so haven't come across transphobia. I do not believe that TWAW and they should not be allowed in female spaces. That doesn't make me a bigoted transphobe, that makes me a woman centering women. Men don't like that, do they?

I care
And it's not transphobic to care.

If you’ve ever been sexually assaulted, threatened or physically assaulted by a man you might feel differently.

I’d like a female only space for my daughters.

Our local club has free for all toilets.
Piss covered seats aren't attractive...
Not arsed who uses them if they keep them clean for the next visitor really.

Also love how it’s women giving up their space again. Where’s all the stuff asking men to give up theirs?

I don't care either but I understand why a lot of women would care.

I care too. And I care even more about my 9 year old daughter not having to share female only spaces.

Yay. Good for you. Your point?

If you see any transphobic posts on MN, report them. If you disagree with some of the opinions of others, walk on by.

I don't know what this is about, but I bloody care!! And not because I have a shy bladder!

Just because you dont care doesn't mean its transphobic of those who do. Women are entitled to single sex spaces and for good reason. If you cant manage to consider why many women would want or need single sex spaces then that's on you being narrow minded and self centred. If you can provide actual evidence of transphobia then do so but I doubt it.

Good for you, I actually feel the same.

However I'm also aware that not everyone else feels the same. Perhaps for religious reasons, or they've previously been assaulted, or they're a teenager, or just because it doesn't feel right and they want more privacy.

So I fully support single sex spaces.

People are attacked in bathrooms.

When I was at school a young girl my age was badly raped in the public toilets at a national trust place. Not by a trans person, but by a man who had hid in the womens toilets. Now 20 years ago if someone had spotted him going in he'd probably have been challenged. These days he probably wouldn't be. So while I'm not saying trans people are sex attackers. I'm saying that unisex toilets make it easier for a sex attacker to lurk about unchallenged and for that reason alone they shouldn't be allowed.

I care. I want to retain the sex segregated spaces women fought so hard to get in the first place.

Good for you.

I do care and I am so glad we are able to have this discussion on MN.

Now what?

I thought you meant in the pub, so presumably my 10 year old daughter would not be in those toilets. Would you happily send your daughter into the men's toilets?

I care and my 3 daughters do too.

5 years ago I would have said I didn’t care but I’ve changed my mind. I realised I cared after I made it to the toilet in a rush after realising my period had started at work and I was flooding. The relief at entering a safe, female-only space was enormous. With men there it wouldn’t have felt like a refuge from blood-stained embarrassment.

"Juno Dawson, who is writing from their own experience"

Doesn't Juno identify as a "her"...? Some may say it's a bit transphobic not to validate that

Op do you have daughters? If I saw a man entering the ladies I would challenge him. Regardless of what he was wearing.

YANBU to say that you don’t care.

YABU to say that most other people don’t care either.

I agree. Its primarily about whether you believe in gender dysphoria. If you believe a trans woman is a woman or a man in a dress.

Men will always attack women, trans women aren't men.

I care a great deal.

I care, I want toilets to remain segregated by sex, and for men to make space for gender non-conforming men to be safe in their toilets.

I’m not a transphobe, I just want women and girls to have privacy away from men.

OP you’re going to get shouted down by the angry mob on here. But in real life most people feel the way you do.

That's nice for you, but not everyone is you.