To say I don't care what genitals the person in the next loo cubicle has...

[coronaandtired]

And that most people probably don't either?

I'm sick of the transphobia on Mumsnet, and fed up of how it seems to be fine on here to go after trans writers such as Juno Dawson, who is writing from their own experience and imagination, and absolutely allowed to publish whatever the fuck they want.

Or am I to blame in some way ?

Nobody, ever, in the entire thread or anywhere have I seen on here has said anything like that

Possibly the only solution is to add a separate toilet room for trans people, same model as disabled toilets (self contained).

(along with many other very articulate posters) and when I hear hooves I think ffs

WTF, Hooves hasn't posted for pages lol, what's that even in reference to?

I don’t feel oppressed

I have felt at times scared and angry and shamed

But never oppressed hence why I will voice my opinion on here and in rl over and over again on why I do not want males sharing some female only spaces

Rowantree2020
I was late to the party too. I only became aware of the issues about 2 years ago. At first I thought the resistance to self ID was being lead by reactionary bigots but when I did some further research I was horrified by what I found. My first search was for info about all the violence feminists were perpetrating against TW but what I found was that words were considered violence and yet actual violence was being committed by TW against women but women were the bad guys.

Haven't read the full 40 pages of posts but although I'm not hugely bothered who's next to me in a cubicle, it would be embarrassing to emerge to wash my bloodied hands after dealing with a heavy period.

I can't imagine how awful it would be for a teenager, truly humiliating.

Women are rejecting the victim status by standing up, definitely, for women and girls' rights!

No to men in women's spaces!

The old name for the feminism board on here but now mainly known as feminism chat

Not really. Most people familiar with it, supporters or otherwise, call it FWR. Feminism and Women's Rights.

Most people familiar with it, supporters or otherwise, call it FWR.

Exactly, but some on here didn't know what FWR meant.
Which is why I clarified

There was someone mimicking my name last week. Seems to be a thing.

It does! Strange.

Thank you @lemonadeanddaisychains

FOJN I understand that genuine transgender women take drugs and some have ops, if it's just a man in a dress then they are transvestite. The voice is a giveaway, for one. But the real giveaway is - are they excited to be in a female loo? If they act as if they aer no a high or hyper just to be there, then it's obviously not a gemnuine TG. As I say, to avoid doubt, the only way os to designate separate toilets for TG - maybe harsh from their point of view but at least that woulds stop the men who do it for excotement / remove danger of sex attackers coming into female toilet AND respect the genuuine TG so they don't have to go to male toilets.

Read the whole thread over the course of the day.

Seems to me to be vastly in favour of women's rights and single-sex facilities etc for women and girls, when all is said and done. Which is encouraging.

But trans wowen don't feel like they are a man

So? Women have the right to female only spaces.

sorry for many typos!

Which is why I clarified

You didn't, you got the name wrong. As was pointed out by FloraFox

Eresh and they too have a right, that is not to use male toilets - as I've posted since, the only realistic way to please all is to designate separate toilets for transgender women.

Fine with that solution as long as I don't ever have to pretend that I believe they are women.

@CatAndHisKit

Feelings don't come in to the discussion about sex-segregated spaces.
Both sexes have the right to access spaces populated only by their own sex.
The group in far more need of the protection this gives is biological women.

If the trans community feel that their wants are not being met then they are free to campaign for their own 3rd space.
It's not about denying any group the chance to have their wants met, it's about ensuring that groups with conflicting wants do not marginalise the needs of others.

And yes, protection from the male sex/male violence and aggression is both a need for women and an absolute necessity for vulnerable spaces.
Space where TW can perform womanhood is a want for them.

I neither fear nor hate that community but women always come first for me and I won't apologise for that.

Cat
That used to be the case but times have changed and the proposed changes to the law will do away with any such criteria and with it the distinction. There are people who claim a female identity whilst retaining male characteristics and presentation and it would be considered transphobic to question that identity.

Rowantree2020
I too was late to the realisation of just what has happened. And I only joined the conversation here late last year. However, once you get your head around the extent of the impact of gender ideology on women and children, you cannot unsee it. If only it was about just toilets.... and not safeguarding in general, prisons, rape centres, children, women’s sports, education and employment (discrimination protections being eroded), health care, free speech, the ability for lesbians to be same sex attracted even... the list is so extensive. And mumsnet is simply pro women and we are constantly told that is anti-trans.

You didn't, you got the name wrong. As was pointed out by FloraFox

me?
Are you mixing me up with someone else?
As pretty sure that wasn't me.

No I'm not mixing you up with anyone else

Feminism and Women's Rights.

FIN