To say I don't care what genitals the person in the next loo cubicle has...

[coronaandtired]

And that most people probably don't either?

I'm sick of the transphobia on Mumsnet, and fed up of how it seems to be fine on here to go after trans writers such as Juno Dawson, who is writing from their own experience and imagination, and absolutely allowed to publish whatever the fuck they want.

I don't want a penis in my single sex space. Really is that simple. Not transphobic.

I'm with you OP and in reality, I think many people do. People on mumsnet care but I'd say majority don't care. "But in real life most people feel the way you do."
How are you qualified to state how most people feel? I'm a survivor of sexual assault. I'm also not a transphobe and am not I'm a survivor of sexual assault. I'm also not a transphobe and am not worrying about a penis existing on the other side of a cubicle wall to me and I wish that GC feminists would stop claiming to speak for me when they are mostly just speaking for themselves and their own prejudices.

I'm also a rape survivor, and you're not the spokesperson for sexual assault victims either. Boundaries are crucially important to many women. Don't presume to speak for me, and you don't have a veto over my consent. No males in female spaces. Ever.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains well you won’t find a man who had those experiences routinely yet millions I would say the majority of women have at some point

Wtf oppressed blob what at 11 when it started (as for many females) I call that sexually harassment of a child or is that something else in your book and as an adult it’s sexual harassment

Mistressiggi

I care.
Are there two posters called rowantrees on here btw?

Yes. R0wantrees is highly respected poster on FWR. Effective and popular.

There was someone mimicking my name last week. Seems to be a thing.

Thank you @Datun

And no I’m not mimicking anyone. I only joined a couple of weeks ago and have never been on the FWR board.

Why is it "people mimicking names?"
There's nowhere says you can't have a similar name to anyone else on here.
Straight away though ooo must be bad or dodgy reason

The push for self-ID was a massive mistake.

Don't presume to speak for me, and you don't have a veto over my consent.

Exactly. There is no compromise with consent. It's extraordinary to think so.

Rowantree2020 Tue 19-May-20 00:35:00
Thank you @Datun**

Datun wasn't referring to you.
There's another prolific poster on FWR as Datun knows as is too with a similar name and it's obviously confusing people who can't differentiate or think "there's only one Rowan everyone else bugger off"

I’m just getting shouted down for suggesting any form of dialogue or looking for compromise.

Probably because you're late to the party and haven't researched the history of how we ended up here. You don't seriously think you are the first person to advocate for dialogue do you? Why do you think women are so strongly defending their boundaries? We're typically very willing to explore win/win solutions. So without enough information you have concluded that women wanting to defend single sex spaces is anti-trans and then can't understand why people are frustrated. Maybe you could be less patronising and take it from us we tried what you are suggesting.

There's another prolific poster on FWR as Datun knows as is too with a similar name and it's obviously confusing people

I’m confused by this post.

Oh dear - this, by LemonadeAndDaisyChains:

Women aren't a big oppressed and beaten down blob.

Please, please, have a look at the whole of human history, across the whole world; and current trends in people-trafficking, prostitution, surrogacy, and slavery.

Or if you're the book-reading type, maybe have a read of a book called Invisible Women by Caroline Criado-Perez, came out last year.

I’m confused by this post

Sorry, to clarify - There's another prolific feminist poster with a similar name to the Rowantrees on this thread as Datun clearly knows as she's one too.
Hence Datun and others comments

Datun wasn't referring to you.

Unless I'm mistaken, the thanks was for link to a thread with more information but I guess if you're looking for offence you'll find it.

Why, OccasionalKite?
Stop making out we're all victims.
It's always we're victims, and if we say otherwise we know no better.

And that was a response to a comment I made about being sexualised form a young age

If only I wasn’t an oppressed blob maybe at the age of 11 I could have taken on the grown men that sexually harassed me just because I had started to develop a pair of boobs

But trans wowen don't feel like they are a man, why should they use men's toilets? they wernt through all the hardships of hormone treatments and especially the ops but still are seen as a man and get this hostility from both genders - can you imagine how that makes then feel?

I obvs don't means transvestites, I can see that you can't always tell the difference, but genuine trans are in no-win situation, not accepted in female spaces but don't feel like they belong in male spaces (and may get attacked there by some stupid drunk). Not sure what the solution is that can please all.

@FOJN thank you I suspect you’re right - there’s certainly no disputing the overwhelming views expressed here. I’ll explore some of the other past Mumsnet discussions and reflect on it.

When I have been sexually harassed or assaulted either as a child or an adult i am a victim of being sexually assaulted/harassed

The choice has never been mine to make in those circumstances

Or am I to blame in some way ?

I don't care either, and neither do my daughters. I live in a country where the majority of toilets are unisex, and it's not an issue. It was actually much easier so DH could take DDs to the loo when they were younger.

Cat
Many TW do not take hormones and even fewer have surgery. I can't remember the exact figures but it is certainly less than 15%.

If only I wasn’t an oppressed blob maybe at the age of 11

I said we're not an oppressed blob though, that's obviously subject to viewpoint as I certainly didn't feel one

I care, I care very much

isabellerossignol pretty much covers everything I feel (along with many other very articulate posters) and when I hear hooves I think ffs

Sorry, to clarify - There's another prolific feminist poster with a similar name to the Rowantrees on this thread as Datun clearly knows as she's one too.

R0wantree and Datun are both prolific, intelligent and informative posters on Feminism Chat.

In the last few weeks Rowantree2020 and a Daten have popped up, both, surprisingly, with opposite views.

Probably just a coincidence.