To wish this 13 year old girl the best of luck and hope she is successful?

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A 13 year old girl is taking Oxfordshire County Council to court over its transgender toolkit for schools. According to the toolkit students who identify as trans can choose with which sex they get changed, or with whom they share a room on over night school trips.

This is madness, right? Potentially letting teenage boys get their kit off with the girls or share a dorm? When my DS has been on residentials he’s not known in advance who he’s sharing a room with, I just assume, naively, that the rooms will be single-sex.

Kids who are trans need to be supported and made to feel comfortable, but surely that shouldn’t come at the expense of everybody else?

AIBU to hope this 13 year old girl wins her case and gets this nonsense out of schools? As I understand it it’s not just Oxfordshire that would be affected. There are toolkits like this throughout the country, so if it’s ruled unlawful in court all of them will have to come down.

Sorry for the DM link.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7971457/Girl-13-launches-High-Court-fight-block-councils-advice-trans-pupils.html

I’ve also found an article in the Oxford Mail, for those of you who understandably don’t want to click on the DM.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18213788.oxfordshire-girl-seeks-judicial-review-trans-toolkit/

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YANBU. I hope she wins the case.

I hope she wins. At 13 I would have gone nowhere if I had to share with a 13 year old boy.

Hope she wins

What have we come to that a girl needs to go to court to maintain her boundaries, to be allowed dignity and privacy?

I can't believe it has come to this. YANBU, good luck Miss A, we are right behind you.

Theres another thread however hapoely to bump in aibu too.

Right behind you! You arent crazy, or a bigot or anything else they try and call you! Your privacy dignity and safety matter!

I can't believe a girl has to go to court to assert her right to single sex spaces. This is outrageous.

Good for Miss A. A girl after my own heart.

That is incredibly brave of her. I wish her luck

Are there actually a lot of teenagers changing genders? I don't have teens myself, there are only babies in the family, nor have I seen any teens in my area who look as though they are transitioning. Is it pretty common? I hear about it all the time in the media but have never come across a real life case, other than 2 or 3 older males who have chosen to identify as the opposite sex.

Also hope she wins. Teenage boys being able to choose which changing room/toilets/showers to use? Who to share dorms with on residential trips? What could possibly go wrong...
Girls should not be told to put up with this or be removed from the activity, it's crazy. I've spent ten years teaching my daughters about the importance of boundaries and what to do if they're uncomfortable, and along comes some guidelines demonstrating that actually, if you're a girl, you don't deserve boundaries, your role is to shut up and smile whilst undressing for the viewing pleasure of the boys.

Mlou32 A teenage boy doesn't have to be transgender to benefit from these guidelines - he just has to say he is. Anyone else here remember what boys were like at school?!

Who could forget.

They called you slags, frigid, dykes...

Asked for blow jobs in class.

We had communal showers after pe

YADNBU.

@EthelMayFergus oh I know lol, I can think of a good few chancers amongst the teenage boys in my year at school who definitely would do anything for a night in the girls dorm!

However I'm genuinely curious as to whether transgenderism - if that's even a word - is a common thing amongst teens? It's not really something I've come across (apart from as I say, a couple of older men years ago and in the media). However I don't have any teens in the family, nor do any of my friends have teens, only younger kids. I'd be curious to hear from those of you with teenagers if identifying as a different gender/changing genders is a common thing amongst their peer group?

unfortunately neither option is ideal.

a child was born male but identifies as female
Do they sleep in with the boys and is open to bullying etc or do they sleep with the girls who will be uncomfortable with that?

I think that its a really complicated issue that cant really be solved by letting the child choose. Really they need a 3rd option of separate accommodation for these children but then that reeks of isolation and segregation of these children.

in the real world though whenever my children have slept over somewhere on school residential or scout camps they have chosen who they share with.

Sexual assaults are a massive problem in schools and girls are already not using the toilets in schools where they have been changed to mixed sex (either deliberately dehydrating or holding it in). Nobody asks the girls how they feel about this though, it makes me so angry. I had high hopes that my daughters lives would be easier than mine in terms of equality, and instead we've regressed.

Anyway, very best of luck to Miss A, and I hope it shines a light on this hideous policy that's been deliberately brought in on the quiet.

a child was born male but identifies as female
Do they sleep in with the boys and is open to bullying etc or do they sleep with the girls who will be uncomfortable with that?

Things are segregated by sex not gender so it's really simple. Schools need to deal with the bullying not put anyone who may or may not feel safe with the boys in with the girls.

A few years ago teachers would have picked up on the grooming kids are dealing with and raised concerns about confusion and disgust of their own bodies being affirmed by people online. Now they go along with it.

Kids cannot be safe if they arent told the truth.

If people want to engage with this on Twitter we are at twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18213788.oxfordshire-girl-seeks-judicial-review-trans-toolkit/ - typical comments from the woke Oxford brigade.

However I'm genuinely curious as to whether transgenderism is a common thing amongst teens? It's not really something I've come across (apart from as I say, a couple of older men years ago and in the media).

Round here: yes. Pretty much in every year at our fairly ordinary-sized comprehensive and sixth form.

And yes, it does cause problems for girls who do not want to share girl-only facilities with (quite possibly nice but definitely male) transgirls.

As far as I know, it doesn't cause problems for the boys as the (female) transboys tend to opt for the one or two unisex or disabled loos rather than the boys' facilities.

I'm just putting the actual sexes in there as when I was new to thinking about this, I assumed that transmen were originally boys who had transitioned, and transgirls were originally girls. They aren't (though confusingly, some people now claim they are, and that female can mean male too).

Note: I recognise that a big increase in able-bodied children using the facilities intended for the disabled is also a problem.

I hope she wins and I fully support her, although I do think that a trans young person with a penis who identifies as female should be given protection from the potential bullying of boys too, so should not therefore be forced to share a room with them.

If it’s possible for them to have a separate room for trans kids at extra cost then do that and apply to trans charities to pay the for it. Failing that they should be able to opt out of the trip. Muslim pupils (specially girls) feel obliged to opt out of things all the time because their parents don’t feel they can be sufficiently protected from the male gaze or free mixing or whatever else they consider un-Islamic so I don’t see why it should be that hard for a trans kid to say ‘these conditions don’t suit my needs as a protected minority so I won’t/can’t go. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Good luck to her.

There is a third option in that they sleep with neither group.

Why are boys always let off the hook for their bullying?

Stop them. Hold them accountable. Make them accept non conforming boys.