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To wish this 13 year old girl the best of luck and hope she is successful?

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Whatisthisfuckery · 06/02/2020 08:49

A 13 year old girl is taking Oxfordshire County Council to court over its transgender toolkit for schools. According to the toolkit students who identify as trans can choose with which sex they get changed, or with whom they share a room on over night school trips.

This is madness, right? Potentially letting teenage boys get their kit off with the girls or share a dorm? When my DS has been on residentials he’s not known in advance who he’s sharing a room with, I just assume, naively, that the rooms will be single-sex.

Kids who are trans need to be supported and made to feel comfortable, but surely that shouldn’t come at the expense of everybody else?

AIBU to hope this 13 year old girl wins her case and gets this nonsense out of schools? As I understand it it’s not just Oxfordshire that would be affected. There are toolkits like this throughout the country, so if it’s ruled unlawful in court all of them will have to come down.

Sorry for the DM link.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7971457/Girl-13-launches-High-Court-fight-block-councils-advice-trans-pupils.html

I’ve also found an article in the Oxford Mail, for those of you who understandably don’t want to click on the DM.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18213788.oxfordshire-girl-seeks-judicial-review-trans-toolkit/

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2fallsagain · 07/02/2020 18:25

Hi tellme, not read whole thread. Been a bit busy! But I'm with ssa uk - pm me if you want more info. You are not on your own!

2fallsagain · 07/02/2020 18:29

Ikea sucks we are urging everyone to go to their schools and leave a paper trail too so put things in writing.. We need parents to talk to schools. The more they do it the louder our voice.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 07/02/2020 21:00

Thanks both - I'm going to do it next week. I've a few days off so I'll be able to spend time doing it properly.

BlackForestCake · 07/02/2020 21:14

although the individual in question may have the body of a boy, they are in every other respect a girl

Just think about this for a second.

There is no other respect in which a person can be a girl, other than having the body of a girl. It is the body which determines whether or not someone is a girl.

Although the person in question may have brown eyes, they are in every other respect blue-eyed.

Although the person in question may work as a taxi driver, they are in every other respect a bus driver.

Although the person in question may be unable to swim, they are in every other respect a swimmer.

BatShite · 07/02/2020 23:27

There is no other respect in which a person can be a girl, other than having the body of a girl. It is the body which determines whether or not someone is a girl.

Quite.

And given single sex areas are seperated on nothing but the differently sexed bodies, the suggestion that anyone should have access to either area based on anything other than the sexed body tat they have is ludicrous.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/02/2020 09:53

There is no other respect in which a person can be a girl, other than having the body of a girl. It is the body which determines whether or not someone is a girl.

YES!

YESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!

Areyoureallylistening · 08/02/2020 10:27

Just came back on here to say a big THANKYOU. Of course I ran my post by my daughter before I sent it. She’s looked at the replies and we had a hug. I can’t tell you how nice it is to have everyone’s support. Thankyou.

AmelieTaylor · 08/02/2020 13:04

@Areyoureallylistening

I’m glad you both know there are people out here who are on your side, it’s not the whole world that has gone mad, despite it feeling like it sometimes!

If there’s anything we can do to help, please let us know 🌷

RuffleCrow · 08/02/2020 14:20

Wholeheartedly agree with most posters here. If there was another way to be a sex, other than actually being that sex, tens of thousands of years of misogyny could have been avoided.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 08/02/2020 14:41

This may be of interest to many of you.

www.womenarehuman.com/scottish-government-launches-consultation-on-gender-law-reform/

UK – Scotland. Women’s rights campaigners are urging mass participation in the Scottish Government’s online consultation on proposed reforms to gender laws, which were published in December. A draft Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) bill would allow people to change their sex legally by “self-declaration” rather than a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria. The consultation is open to submissions from anywhere in the world, and For Women Scotland has produced clear guidance on suggested responses for anyone with concerns about the impact of a change to self-identification.

Continue reading Scottish Government Launches Consultation on Gender Law Reform | Women Are Human

wellbehavedwomen · 08/02/2020 15:13

If there was another way to be a sex, other than actually being that sex, tens of thousands of years of misogyny could have been avoided.

Yep. All those silly females around the world being aborted, genitally mutilated, child-married to old men, raped, beaten, disenfranchised, forced into sex work, forced into slavery*, paid less, performing most unpaid labour, owning less, eating less and being educated less could avoid it all, the daft wenches, just by identifying as male. Pay gap? What pay gap?

Every single human being alive today exists because of the reproductive labour of women. Pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding. Hard, painful, often dangerous. And invisible, for the most part, despite the human race relying upon it. Yet at the Women's March, women were chastised for campaigning for care around our biology. Because it wasn't intersectional, and excluded women born with penises.

Not only are women still abused and oppressed, just for being women, but now we're told that oppression is a form of privilege, and we should allow all males in our spaces, and to compete in our sports, on their say-so, because identifying as women is so degrading to men that they are automatically less privileged than anyone else, including black people, disabled people, and females. And that's official CPS advice to schools now.

It's like the Handmaid's Tale went woke.

I'm quite late to this. To realising what is happening. I think a lot of us are. But now, our children are affected. And people tend to get a fair bit pissed off, when your ideas start to harm our kids.

*1 in 200 people alive in the world today are defined as modern slaves. 71% of those enslaved people are of the female sex.

MrsSnippyPants · 09/02/2020 15:04

If you are financially able to, please would you show some support to this brave girl. The house of cards will only fall if schools can be challenged with actual case law. This case must not be allowed to fail due to lack of funds, it is far too important.
Please dig deep if you can.

MrsSnippyPants · 09/02/2020 17:33
MiddlesexGirl · 09/05/2020 13:31

This particular challenge has been successful.

To wish this 13 year old girl the best of luck and hope she is successful?
ludothedog · 09/05/2020 13:38

Well done that girl!

Amazing result.

CaveMum · 09/05/2020 14:23

Excellent news.

GladAllOver · 09/05/2020 14:32

But this is not the final result. The misogynists will be pushing hard to get their demands put into law. This is only a battle won, not the war.

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