To wish this 13 year old girl the best of luck and hope she is successful?

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A 13 year old girl is taking Oxfordshire County Council to court over its transgender toolkit for schools. According to the toolkit students who identify as trans can choose with which sex they get changed, or with whom they share a room on over night school trips.

This is madness, right? Potentially letting teenage boys get their kit off with the girls or share a dorm? When my DS has been on residentials he’s not known in advance who he’s sharing a room with, I just assume, naively, that the rooms will be single-sex.

Kids who are trans need to be supported and made to feel comfortable, but surely that shouldn’t come at the expense of everybody else?

AIBU to hope this 13 year old girl wins her case and gets this nonsense out of schools? As I understand it it’s not just Oxfordshire that would be affected. There are toolkits like this throughout the country, so if it’s ruled unlawful in court all of them will have to come down.

Sorry for the DM link.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7971457/Girl-13-launches-High-Court-fight-block-councils-advice-trans-pupils.html

I’ve also found an article in the Oxford Mail, for those of you who understandably don’t want to click on the DM.

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/18213788.oxfordshire-girl-seeks-judicial-review-trans-toolkit/

@WhereShallWeMoveTo wouldn’t it be far better to teach the boys to be more accepting of gender non-conforming males and continue to segregate by sex?

I hope she wins.

I cannot believe a 13 yo girls has been put in this situation. It's disgusting and is a great indicator of how much the trans agenda is eroding the rights of females.

Yes of course it would. But that won’t stop most trans youngsters refusing to share rooms with people of their own biological sex, will it?

So you feel a lie about their sex would be better?

How will that keep them safe?

What a brave girl good luck to her I hope she wins

Things are segregated by sex not gender so it's really simple. Schools need to deal with the bullying not put anyone who may or may not feel safe with the boys in with the girls.

This.

And forcing girls to accept male bodied transgirls in spaces which are supposed to be single sex will be ultimately far more isolating for the transgirl than giving them their own space if necessary. Friendships are not built through threat and coercion.

I'd be really concerned about any school that followed these guidelines. I'd worry about their ability to tackle sexism and homophobia amongst staff and students.

Ultimately as a society, it is time for men and boys to step forward and stand up for trans people in their single sex spaces. To condemn any harassment or bullying that takes place. Because dealing with the problem by turning single sex spaces into mixed sex spaces is not the way forward. It is not progressive to humiliate and endanger women and girls* and risk them self-excluding from society. Equality of the sexes hasn't even been achieved FGS!

• to be clear I am not suggesting that the threat to the safety & dignity of women and girls comes from trans people. It comes, as it always has, from males, as a class, regardless of gender ID.

is there something we can do to help? As individuals?

Do you think that with a girl being at the centre of this case the law will actually have to face up to the rights and needs of girls rather than allowing it to be dominated by into worrying about how we deal with the needs of trans pupils?

Just because trans pupils might need special accommodation doesn’t mean it’s ok to ignore girls rights to privacy and dignity.

@Mlou32 a friend’s nephew, at 15, has declared that he is female. However, he done nothing more than declare it, and has a steady girlfriend. So I think he identifies as a trans lesbian, but still has a penis, testicles and a body full of testosterone.

Honestly, it boggles my mind, but these people are out there, so good luck to Miss A.

What about boys? I wouldn't want my son changing with and precosciuos teenage girls.

I wish her all the luck in the world. This madness has to stop.

That's so gutsy of her, considering the abuse she is bound to get, I really admire her. A child shames spineless adults, and not for the first time

What about boys? I wouldn't want my son changing with and precosciuos teenage girls

Well then perhaps support the crowd funder?

Cos the tool.kit states that they dont have to tell parents so it can and will happen without your knowledge

Yes, boys rights to privacy and dignity are also important. They don’t have the same level of risk of sexual assault as girls but their needs and protections are also important. The guidance doesn’t work for anyone. We need to take safeguarding for both sexes seriously.

There are several trans-identifying kids in each year 9, 10 and 11 of my kids’ school, and loads on non-binaries in 6th form as well. There needs to be a third space. We have large Muslim and Jewish communities and their girls are excluded is trans teens can access single sex spaces.

It’s so frustrating. Good luck to Miss A.

I should add, how can I help if I haven't got money to donate, all ideas welcome, thank you.

@EthelMayFergus
In my experience, it's around 4 or 5 in 1000s. Always girls (transboys).
It's up from 2 or 3 in 1000 a few years ago and is increasingly unrecognisable. It often starts half way through year 7 and is in place by year 8. Peaks in year 8. Not sure what usually happens at older ages. Poss school refusal.

Imo it's caused by toxic femininity and evasive beauty industry. Shoot me down in flames but that's my strongly held opinion.

Boys nowadays in my experience are very accepting of the (trans)boys and include them in their friendship groups and fornite / computer game play and accept them 100% as boys.

It is insane that a 13 year old girl does not have access to sex segregated toilets in her own school. When was public consent obtained for these radical policies?

Good luck to her. I hope that she has a lot of support because she will be target of all sorts of bullying and vitriol.

Good luck to her.

I'm genuinely curious as to whether transgenderism - if that's even a word - is a common thing amongst teens?

Definitely round here. Every secondary (state and private) reports it. Not isolated cases, and the teens are well up on the terminology etc.

autumn

Share the article or crowdfunder on twitter or face book ? If it wont get you in trouble with work.

I included the case in an email to my mp so theres that?

Good luck to her!

Best of luck to her

Hopefully some sensible women will be involved in the decision making

As sadly so few men get what it’s like to be sexualised from when you start to develop, to feel so self conscious about your periods and to just fell safer in spaces where there are no males (apart from very young children)

Sarah

I've contacted my MP about a lot of these cases; I get acknowledgement but that's it.

I have to be be careful as my work is woke.