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Neighbors carer just had a go at me!

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Whowantsthiscoffee · 20/12/2019 20:24

So just got confronted by my neighbors carer telling me it wouldn't hurt me to check on my neighbor and offer a hand. Background, neighbor fell down the stairs last week and wasn't found for 28 hours, she's about 60 and has three grown up unmarried child free kids herself. I have four kids, three are under four and don't have much spare time. My DH works away every three weeks in Europe for a week and I don't live near any family. Yes it's sad my neighbor has health issues but her three grown up children should maybe visit her more often. I just feel annoyed because I feel that as the carer sees me at home etc she obviously assumes I do fuck all. I do ring neighbors door every so often but normally no reply..... I'm just I dunno annoyed I guess

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Willow2017 · 20/12/2019 21:46

The carer was being ignorant and rude but she did it out if care for the person she's caring for

Nope she was rude and ignorant of ops circumstances.
She had no right to accost a random neighbour who doesn't even live next door or have any interaction with the neighbour and basically accuse them of neglect. Just because op is a female at home she thought it should be ops job to look after all her neighbours. She wouldn't have accosted a male neighbour like that bet the farm on it.

If she thinks the neighbour needs more care involvement then she should flag it up with her bosses and they can talk to her bloody family not random neighbours.

She should be keeping her personal feelings to herself. The neighbour has 3 adult kids it's thier job to organise appropriate care not op. Having worked in care this is overstepping the mark big time.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 20/12/2019 21:47

The lady needs a fall alarm, it was absolutely out of order for the carer to have a go at you. Would she have said that to a man, I wonder?

Binglebong · 20/12/2019 21:50

I work at a care company (among other things). If we can't get hold of a client we would ask the neighbours in case they had seen an ambulance or similar. That's it. We sure as hell wouldn't expect a neighbour to care from them and if one of the carers said that we would absolutely want to know.

beautifulstranger101 · 20/12/2019 21:53

I would make a complaint about a carer who did this- do you know which agency she is from? What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

The VERY simple answer is that this neighbour get care link- a pendant alarm that goes around her neck that she can press in case of emergency. They will automatically call the emergency services if they get no reply from her.

OR, she could go live in sheltered housing or a warden assisted flat if she is that frail. Or, she could hire a live in carer, OR she could go live with one of her kids. Multiple options there and none of them involve imposing on a random neighbour who has nothing to do with her and has their own life to live and own responsibilities to look after. How ridiculous!

Popupshopper · 20/12/2019 21:53

Jesus don’t complain. Watch Ken Loach’s ‘Sorry We Missed You’. It would be lovely if we all lived in ye old days and looked in on eachotber but we don’t, and you have no responsibility for her. BUT put the carer straight yourself rather than shopping her. Her life is probably shit already without you stirring it up more.
Also I’m glad that the carer cares enough for her client to feel that way. Shame you got the wrong end of it, but at least she y’know, cared.

whatnow40 · 20/12/2019 21:53

My DM is 68 and lives 2 1/2hrs away from me. She texts every morning, if I don't hear from her I will call. She also switches an outside light on when she goes to bed. Her neighbour keeps an eye and will knock on if she hasn't switched the light off again by the time the neighbour leaves for work.

We've only ever had one instance where DM was ill, she was able to let neighbour in who called the GP. DM then sent to hospital by ambulance and neighbour called me. I know have Alexa in every room for her and set up the family calling so she can 'drop in' on any of my devices. We've tested it and there is nowhere in her bungalow that is out of shouting distance to Alexa. So long as she's conscious, she'll be able to get help.

These are the things your neighbour should be putting in place with her kids, but also having a friendly face nearby to raise the alarm if something is wrong. It doesn't have to be you though.

Popupshopper · 20/12/2019 21:55

Fume on here, I’m not saying you’re in the wrong but we’re all just so fucking horrible to each other these days. What possible good will come out of you complaining?

diddl · 20/12/2019 21:55

She needs a fall alarm & some system setting up with her own kids.

When my parent was ill a neighbour noticed as curtains hadn't been opened.

Doesn't take much for someone to spot something & look into it when they know there is someone elderly living alone.

That's not a dig at Op, btw, carer is just about suggesting that Op does her job for her!

beautifulstranger101 · 20/12/2019 21:57

If the carer had an ounce of sense she would have suggested carelink- why has noone suggested this?

diddl · 20/12/2019 21:57

Hmm & now I've got drawn into calling "about 60" elderly & I'm knocking on for that myself!

CtrlU · 20/12/2019 21:59

This couldn’t be me because I would have put that bitch in her place and told her where to shove it !

How RUDE of her !

I’m sorry for your neighbour but she’s not your responsibility and you have absolutely NO obligation to check up on her !

justilou1 · 20/12/2019 22:00

So you are not her immediate Neighbour and have barely a nodding relationship with her? I think if you are being expected to be a stand-in carer for her (sounds like it) or a closer relationship is being assumed, you need to explain this. And yes, carer was out of line!!!

AutumnRose1 · 20/12/2019 22:01

60 “elderly”? I think most people would be flummoxed by that.

anon2000000000 · 20/12/2019 22:01

Not your job, it's the carers and the families job.

Sounds like she could do with a more enhanced care package.

Not you're fault at all op, she shouldn't have had a go at you.

viccat · 20/12/2019 22:02

Checking up on a neighbour every day without a specific agreement/arrangement to do so would be very unusual.

I'm actually much younger, and healthy, but think about this every now and then because I live alone and mostly work from home so it's possible no one would notice for a bit if something happened to me...

Graphista · 20/12/2019 22:06

“Wow you are all harsh! Would it really be so hard to pop in and say hi every now and again?“

As someone who worked in elderly care and had/has several elderly and infirm relatives that’s an incredibly ignorant, naive and judgmental comment to have made.

It’s really not that simple and actually TOO many people being involved in someone’s care can and does lead to things being missed because “everyone thought somebody else did x” in most cases the care needs to be properly organised and administrated in order to prevent that.

Very common eg for elderly and cognitively impaired people to end up with accidental med overdoses because too many people are “helping” and records not being kept and next thing they’ve got a paracetamol od!

Can also lead to them NOT being checked on often enough because lack of organisation means all involved thought eg tue wasn’t my turn...

It really is better if care at home is managed professionally rather than ad hoc.

When my gran was near the end and had dementia as part of her ill health we organised ourselves as a family via a Facebook messenger group so EVERYONE saw the messages when say someone had said they couldn’t do wed due to a Drs appointment of their own can someone else step in - so we ALL knew who had volunteered to cover/swap and indeed if nobody stepped up straight away there’d be discussion to organise so somebody did and nobody had the excuse of ‘well nobody told me’

Avoided “hurty feelings” nonsense too to be honest because actually most of the time severely we’re happy to step in if someone couldn’t do a day but gran felt overwhelmed if there were too many visitors.

It also sounds like this lady would greatly benefit from a personal alarm system which several of my relatives have.

The carer has NO business approaching effectively a stranger and asking them to step in!

Aside from the presumptuousness - and I’m SURE this isn’t the case - but for all the carer knows you and the neighbour may have had a falling out, you could be someone unsuitable to be involved in such a situation (carer must surely be aware of elder abuse and how the elderly are targeted by con artists and thieves!) so she could be putting her client in harms way!

As I said I definitely don’t believe it to be the case here from how you’re coming across but the carer absolutely doesn’t know that.

“but I think it's coming from a place of caring about what happens to the neighbour so I wouldn't judge her too harshly.”

I wouldn’t necessarily assume so. As I said I worked in this area for many years and just as in any job there are those who really shouldn’t be doing the job unfortunately and in recent years that problem has been increasing.

If the carers are meant to be in daily then it’s entirely possible the carer messed up! And she’s trying to prevent getting caught out again! So her actions could be entirely self serving.

“Why would you complain ?”

Because it was rude, unprofessional, inappropriate and could potentially put the client at risk by involving them with people who haven’t been checked who may take advantage of or even hurt them!

Bloody good reasons to complain in my opinion!

“Secondly I used to help an elderly neighbour and his children took major issue with it and accused me of trying to steal their inheritance.” Another good reason - getting involved in such a situation without clear professional protections is foolish.

If the carer thinks the client needs closer monitoring she should be organising that within the family and with social care agencies/companies not some random that just happens to live in the same street!

“What possible good will come out of you complaining?”
If the carer has failed to alert her bosses, the family and other agencies that the client needs more care than she’s getting a complaint will enable this to be flagged, if it was her cock up led to the client being left 28 hours then it could lead to this being flagged too.

Social care is in crisis we know this but quite honestly with 3 grown children this lady shouldn’t really not be getting decent care.

gamerwidow · 20/12/2019 22:12

Not your responsibility.
When my house got burgled a few years back I was given a lecture by the police about how they'd interviewed my elderly neighbour and she was really anxious and I should drop in on her. Massively in appropriate because a) I was the victim of the crime not her and b) that neighbour was a stone cold bitch who had made my life miserable for years by screaming abuse at me every time I displeased her by various minor misdemeanours such as reversing my car off the driveway in a way that allowed my car to be briefly visible from her window or mowing my lawn at 10am (too early) or leaving my house to go to work at 7am (also too early) and other bonkers stuff.

beautifulstranger101 · 20/12/2019 22:13

@graphista very well said and explained.

Complaining is not simply about being "difficult" or "unkind"- there are really very serious consequences that could happen if this carer is randomly approaching strangers asking them to get involved in this woman's life. Professional carers have to have criminal record checks and good references etc

She knows literally nothing about the OP.

Skidzer · 20/12/2019 22:14

I have an elderly who I had to block when I first moved in as she kept phoning me.

A few days ago I got a round robin 'Karen's Newsletter' from her. It made my heart ache as all she had to report were hospital stays. I never check on her, in fact I avoid her as she's nosey. But her newsletter said she had her 80th last New Year's.

She takes in parcels for me (e.g. 2 crates of wine, and told me I shouldn't be drinking them). It's that interference with me that puts me off. But when I saw her little innocent newsletter, I felt so sorry for her. She has nothing and nobody (2 daughters who never visit).
So I've vowed to try to be at least friendly to her from now on.
She has a key to my flat and also takes in my parcels. I'm ungrateful, but she's imposing. But I do feel sorry for her. Since I've moved here she's less mobile. She can just about move around the flat I think. Not sure what's wrong. She still drives and has an unused mobility scooter. Well she still has the car anyway, not sure if she drives.

Skidzer · 20/12/2019 22:15

*an elderly neighbour

Skidzer · 20/12/2019 22:16

Your neighbour should have an alarm bell around her neck that she can ring if she falls. My Granny had one as she had high blood pressure and fell a lot/ passed out.

TreeSwayer · 20/12/2019 22:21

I think it is different if you live opposite someone and so can see if their curtains get opened etc, totally different expecting you to call in on someone.

My Grandad had a fall alarm but got undressed in his bedroom to take a shower, took the bloody alarm off and promptly collapsed in the bathroom. He actually crawled through the hallway where the alarm main machine is but in his confused state didn't press the button.

Luckily my Uncle (retired) has a system where he gives Grandad a quick ring in the morning, 1 minute maximum and Grandad rings him at night to tell him he is off to bed. But he was 88. As Grandad hadn't rang that night, my Uncle rang him, couldn't get an answer so went to his house. Had to call an ambulance as he had been on the floor from just after the morning phone call, naked and cold.

After my MIL died, my SIL has a system that my FIL texts her hello in the morning just so she knows he is okay. He is 70 and has had 2 strokes. But again, family. We are 1 hour away, my SIL is close by to FIL.

Expecting you, a total stranger to be available is not acceptable.

Willow2017 · 20/12/2019 22:21

Graphista

Well said especially about telling random strangers to visit vulnerable people. What a stupid thing to do.

For the terminally "you are responsible for the welfare of every one on your street" brigsde it's a great heads up to the legal and safeguarding issues that this carer has ignored.
She has no right to discuss anything about the person she is caring for for with anyone other than her employers or her family. Huge confidentiality breach.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 20/12/2019 22:23

If the neighbour is prone to falls, she should have one of those alarm pendants and wear it all the time. That is, unless she has dementia, when they're usually useless since the person will forget to wear it/forget what it's for.

But no, YANBU at all. You have quite enough on your plate. Occasional help in an emergency would one thing, but I gather she hadn't asked - or been able to. Therefore the need for an alarm.

Laterthanyouthink · 20/12/2019 22:25

OP isn't being recruited as an unpaid carer though. It is just being a good neighbour to keep an eye out, as someone else said things like checking curtains are open, not dispensing medication.

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