For everyone voting labour, how do you feel about the anti semitism associated with them?

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Genuine question, not being goady.

I’ve always voted labour and would hate for tories to be re elected tomorrow. But the casual normalisation of anti Semitism scares me. I don’t want to vote someone into power who isn’t prepared to stand up for all ethnic minorities.

A lot of my left wing friends/colleagues seem to not see it as an issue, or think that as there’s more problems with racism from conservatives they are the less worse option.

U: labour supporter still voting labour
NU: labour supporter choosing alternative party

I’m not being goady (honest!) but I’ve tried searching the web for a clear example of anti semitism behaviour/ambivalence in the Labour Party but I keep getting pages and pages about Corbyn being opposed to apartheid and not much else. Would anyone be kind enough to put it in layman’s terms for a dafty like me? I like some of Labours plans but anti semitism is my line in the sand. Thanks!

The problem isn’t just the anti Semitic words being spoken it is with the leader of the party.

As I said before JC not only stood by and did nothing when one of his Jewish MPs was being the subject of a racist rant but he then left chatting with the heckler like they were good friends.

JC doesn’t seem to realise as the leader of one of the main parties who could be the next prime minister of the United Kingdom he needs to start being a lot more careful who he is seen speaking with, who he is stood next to and who he associates with.

The Labour Party can try and clean house all it wants but the leader of the party needs to take on board the adage

“If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas”

His associations and sharing platforms with people who utter the vilest crap and staying silent make it look like he agrees with the rants.
He isn’t exactly saying he doesn’t.

For me it doesn’t sit right. However BJ’s openness against well, humanity is worse. I’m voting labour as in my area it is a close Lab/Con seat and if I vote anyone else it will feel wasted. My priority is just to get rid of the Tories.

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Try reading this summary of Jewish Labour’s submission to the EHRC.

If you’re cool with voting for a party whose local branches conduct home visits on any Orthodox Jew who tries to join - while not imposing this condition on any other applicant - then go ahead.

Thank you joyful, how kind :)

South Tottenham CLP’s membership secretary objected to the applications for membership of 25 Orthodox Jews, and insisted on visiting them at home.

This has never happened to any non-Jew.

This is what we mean by institutional antisemitism. It’s not just about Corbyn. If he quit tomorrow, the Labour Party would still be riddled with antisemitism.

I’m Jewish and I’m voting Labour. I think it’s a naive person who doesn’t realise that anti-semitism exists in all parts of society and most likely in all three major parties. I also take offence at those who cannot seem to distinguish a pro-palestine stance versus holding anti-semitic views.

I think Boris Johnson has said and done far worse things, and frankly I’m terrified what will happen if he continues to lead the country

Other details from Jewish Labour’s submission to the EHRC:

One Jewish Labour member listed 22 examples of antisemitic abuse directed at him at CLP meetings. These included the phrases “Hitler was right”, “child killer” and “shut the f**k up Jew”. (page 4)

One Jewish member shared a breakfast table at party conference with delegates who agreed that Jews were “subhuman” and should “be grateful we don’t make them eat bacon..every day.” (page 5)

A Jewish sixth-former was forced to leave the Labour Party Forum on Facebook after members sifted through his account for links to Jewish organisations. (page 7)

A Jewish Labour member had made a comment online condemning holocaust denial. The administrator of the Labour Party Forum group responded by calling him a “frothing Hasbara Troll.” (page 8)

One Jewish member faced death threats after she was filmed being upset watching a debate about antisemitism at the Labour Party Conference. (page 8)

One Jewish member was the subject of a 30-minute film made by an antisemitic member, who abused him as a “f**king Jew” and threatened to punch him in the face. (page 8)

Three branches in Stockton CLP refused to vote for a motion condemning the Pittsburgh attack in 2018. The opponents felt the word “antisemitism” should be removed from the motion, despite it being the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the history of the US. (page 14)

A Jewish member was told at a CLP meeting that he should “feel responsible for the Palestinian conflict.” (page 16)

Credit: Frances Weetman

stoneofDestiny Islam is a religion not a race

Borris likened muslim woman to letterboxes. Can you imagine if Corbyn likened an orthodox jew to something akin? It would be awful, grotesque and cause uproar. He would never do that though because he genuinely is respectful to all. That Borris gets away with blatant, full on racism is beyond me ...

@TooManyHeadaches

Corbyn has said that Jews don’t understand English irony, implying that no matter how long a Jewish family has lived in this country, they will never be English.

Misogyny and anti-Semitism are just background noise in our societies; they've been there for a very, very long time. A very constant prejudice exists towards women, and towards Jewish people.

Every time someone calls accusations of anti_semitism a 'smear', they are exhibiting this tolerance of anti-Semistism, this prejudice that has been with us so long, it's been normalised.

McDonnell himself, on Mumsnet this week, said that accusations of anti-semitism in Labour are NOT a smear.

Non-Jewish people voting Labour need to be clear - they are voting Labour as a least worst option, but to do that, they are pretty much OK with throwing British Jews under the bus. They feel it's OK to take the risk of sacrificing Jews for the greater good. They think anti-Semitism is not a form of racism to prioritise, or take seriously, or they deny that it is a problem at all.

Everyone has a free vote; everyone can vote as best suits their conscience.

My empathy and best wishes to the Jewish women posting in this thread, whomever you plan on voting for. I understand, that if you do vote Labour, you are making an immense personal sacrifice. I do not blame you if you do not vote Labour.

I think anti semitism is part of a wider racism problem. I dont think its any different. I also think that criticism of israeli policy isnt anti Jewish. Its hardly uncontroversial amongst Jews and non Jews alike.
Anti semetism does exist in the labour party, of course it does. It exists in all parties.
There is nothing anti semetic in the plans, manifesto, Corbyn has protested against all sorts of racism, including anti semitism, so I believe that with no racist policies, no racist statements, no racist behaviour, then Corbyn is not racist.

As for randomer labour party members. If they are racist they should be dealt with, removed etc. Anyone can join the party. Of course there are dicks in all parties

there are powerful people who are scared of Israel being criticised

You couldn’t even manage not to be antisemitic for the length of one post denying antisemitism.

And Corbyn thinks it’s us Jews who struggle to understand irony... the mind boggles.

no racist statements, no racist behaviour, then Corbyn is not racist

If you think Corbyn has made no racist statements or displayed racist behaviour, then you are one of three things.

Stupid, blind or racist yourself.

joyfullittlehippo - I'm not denying antisemitism exists in our society, or that it must be hell to be on the receiving end of it or of any kind of racial hatred. I'm saying I'm fed up of it being raised all the time in relation to the labour party specifically and Corbyn. Yes, I genuinely believe he is not anti-Semitic and that where he sees antisemitism he is abhored by it, and wants to stamp.it.out. It's my point of view. Calling antisemitism I'm relation to.laboir is game playing, point scoring on behalf of the conservatives and also part of a bigger political picture in relation to the Israel.problem. That is not a conspiracy theory

Well I’m Jewish and I’m voting labour on the basis Johnson and Corbyn are both racists but I trust labour marginally more than the conservatives to put Brexit back to the people or to go for a softer Brexit than Johnson will if the vote is to leave again. If it’s racism that is stopping you voting labour then the conservatives have just a grim a record as they do.