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For everyone voting labour, how do you feel about the anti semitism associated with them?

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leafyygreens · 11/12/2019 18:26

Genuine question, not being goady.

I’ve always voted labour and would hate for tories to be re elected tomorrow. But the casual normalisation of anti Semitism scares me. I don’t want to vote someone into power who isn’t prepared to stand up for all ethnic minorities.

A lot of my left wing friends/colleagues seem to not see it as an issue, or think that as there’s more problems with racism from conservatives they are the less worse option.

U: labour supporter still voting labour
NU: labour supporter choosing alternative party

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Catapillarsruletheworld · 11/12/2019 19:55

I feel the conservatives have a far bigger problem with racism and labour.

JC is definitely the lesser of two evils.

StoneofDestiny · 11/12/2019 19:55

If there are anti semites in the Labour Party, there will be the same in the Tory Party. What is absolutely certain in that Johnson has proven he is a racist with his anti Muslim rantings and allowing an anti Scottish poem to be printed in the magazine he edited - ironically filled with the language associated with the a Holocaust.

I'm no fan of Corbyn as an individual's but as a voter in England I would have no choice but to vote Labour (if I was in Scotland it would be SNP). .

Redcliff · 11/12/2019 19:58

There are lots of Jewish people saying they don't think there is an issue. JC has been fighting racism for many years unlike Boris who has said many racist things for years.

Pixxie7 · 11/12/2019 20:00

Whilst not negating what happened during the war I think things are getting out of proportion as well as the Jews, gypsies and homosexual were all subjected to horrific treatment.
Similarly at some stage or other all religions have been subjected to prejudice throughout history. I don’t personally believe that Corbyn himself is anti-Semitic although it would appear that some of his party are.
Vote for who is right for you.

MuthaFunka61 · 11/12/2019 20:01

What @MrsMaiselsMuff said.
If you have a twitter account ( which is where I've just come from) you'll be able to hear and see many people of the Jewish faith talking about why they're voting Labour.

As has been said,it's a tiny minority in the Labour party but as far as I can tell the response to the anti-semitism has been admirably handled.

TheGoogleMum · 11/12/2019 20:02

I'm not ok with the anti semitism but I hate the Tories more than labour (and i think labour have some great policies!) and my local seat is labour vs Tory

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Loopytiles · 11/12/2019 20:04

Tories are hardly great on equality.

KilljoysDutch · 11/12/2019 20:05

The Tories are currently investigating three of their members for antisemitism but all 3 are being allowed to stand as MPs in this election instead of being suspended.
The Tories have shown themselves to be racist time and time again, they have attacked single mothers, working class men, disabled people and people on benefits among many others. Their leader won't attend interviews where he doesn't think he can control the narrative.

I could never vote for a leader who fought so so hard to make sure the banks that caused an economic disaster never suffered for what they did and that the bankers were well rewarded despite being bailed out by the government and the public purse.

I'm disabled and I know the hell I've been through with medicals to be able to claim minuscule benefits that I'm then told by so many Tory supporters I don't deserve or need.

I'll vote for the party who treats me like a human and not an inconvenience.

vassdal · 11/12/2019 20:06

Yes it sits very very uneasily with me. I do feel uncomfortable about voting labour and therefore supporting a party which is rife with anti-semitism at the moment.
However, I absolutely cannot vote Conservative. I want them out. People have been treated appallingly due to "austerity measures". Then there's the whole Brexit nightmare. And then we have all the lying and all that business with proroguing parliament and Boris Johnson thinking he can do what he likes.
The Conservatives have problems with Islamophobia as well.

I've chatted to some Jewish friends about this and they will be voting for whichever party has the best chance of getting the Tories in their constituency. A couple of them will be voting Labour even though they are concerned about the anti-semitism.

KilljoysDutch · 11/12/2019 20:08

The smears from the Tories have also meant I could never consider them. They've spread constant lies - the child on a hospital floor photo being faked, a political aide being punched by a Labour activist. Over 90% of their political ads on social media have been found to be misleading compared to 0% for Labour.

Whalebird · 11/12/2019 20:08

My PhD was in Holocaust studies; the people I've been most careful to listen to on this are the friends and former colleagues-many of whom are Jewish-whose business it is to study, interrogate and analyse antisemitism. This is what I've come to:

Jeremy Corbyn is not an antisemite.
There has been, and probably still is, antisemitism on the left, though often that's not properly distinguished from criticism of Israel (a nation state, a political entity, and therefore a just target fro criticism). And Labour have been too slow to react and were initially defensive, this was not good. But their opponents have made much hay with every single snippet, while ignoring the out-and-out racism of the other parties/candidates. I find it sad and telling that concern for antisemitism in the UK only appears when it can be used as a stick to beat a left-wing Labour leader.

Antisemitism is serious, on the rise, and historically disastrous, as well as being, in plain terms, morally wrong. It is endemic in British society for many reasons; one I think is massive ignorance about Jewishness and the other is historical bigotry that has gone unchallenged and is often invisible. I do not-for a minute-think that the Tories are any less antisemitic. Much like that of the Christian Right in America, there are some forms of support for Israel that are motivated to keep Jewish people in one place, with a single representative who can be bargained with. For this reason I also find the Chief Rabbi's comments (he is a friend of Johnson's), but moreover the reporting of them, deeply problematic. No-one is appointed to represent all British Jews and to suggest that is to attempt to corral them into a collective identity; its a form of stereotyping just as egregious as the calls, post 9/11, for 'muslims' to apologise.

The Conservative party will be worse for minorities-all minorities. Johnson has made his feelings about them crystal clear. I know people think voting Lib Dem is option C, but it is really just a vote for the Tory party. All Lib Dem seats can give us is a Tory majority. If you don't want that-and there are so many reasons not to-I urge you to vote Labour.

This article, on being both black and Jewish in this election, expresses it all far better than I can:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/11/jeremy-corbyn-boris-johnson-antisemitism-hostile-agenda-people-colour

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churchandstate · 11/12/2019 20:09

There are racists in all political parties. I am a Labour voter because that’s how I would
govern, if I were elected myself. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Random18 · 11/12/2019 20:11

There are racists in all parties.

I don't beleive that JC is racists although I don't beleive he has dealt with anti semitism in the best way.

He clearly does not support the policies of Israel but that's pretty understandable. That is not anti semitism

Boris Johnson is a racist. End of! Indisputable!

WiddlinDiddlin · 11/12/2019 20:12

British Politics has a HUGE problem with racism of all kinds, and that needs dealing with.

However I am happy that JC is neither antisemite nor an IRA buddy, having actually done some research, read some stuff, talked to some people and not simply decided based on stupid memes and 'so and so said so'.

PettyContractor · 11/12/2019 20:14

Conservatives are historically incredibly racist (current leader is following that trend) so I certainly wouldn’t be voting for them.

I can't resist pointing out that the only Jewish (by birth) prime minister we've ever had was a conservative.

(To be fair, wikipedia does say Benjamin Disraeli became an Anglican by the age of 12.)

(On a side-note, I'll bet there'll by a third Conservative woman prime minister before the first Labour one.)

Whalebird · 11/12/2019 20:15

Cheers @joyfullittlehippo! I don't usually do Big Earnest Posts but this feels so important. I'll be out campaigning tomorrow, as well.

Labour can win this and young people can swing it.

ilovetinsel · 11/12/2019 20:18

There are racist people in all parties op. I don't think JC is personally racist.

Yes he could have dealt with complaints of antisemitism better. But, I don't equate being critical of the Israeli government & it's treatment of the Palestinians with being racist.

Lots of my Jewish friends are voting for him. The smear campaign against him is real. The Chief Rabbi is mates with BJ.

Please vote for a party that wants to fund social services, the police, education, the NHS, the emergency services, tackle inequality, save the planet you live on & your children (if you have them) will inherit. Someone who wants a kinder world.
I’m not actually telling anyone to vote labour. It would be better to vote tactically if you live in a swing seat.
Please do consider what this government has done and vote for policies not personalities.

Let's get those nasty Tories out 🙏

ilovetinsel · 11/12/2019 20:19

@Whalebird let's bloody hope so 🤞🤞🤞

shortsaint · 11/12/2019 20:22

I have no worries at all about voting Labour.
I will confess to trying to understand the anti semetic sentiment and still haven't got to the bottom of it. Is it JC's sympathy to Palestinians?

I do blame the media as I think all parties have their own issues. Islamaphobia for instance Conservatives?

There is a lot of mudslinging in this campaign.

Jellykat · 11/12/2019 20:28

Have a read of this article OP, its very interesting!

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/smoke-without-fire-the-myth-of-a-labour-antisemitism-crisis/

I am of the opinion that the majority of the accusations are media led, and consider the Tories crawling with way more racism!..

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