For everyone voting labour, how do you feel about the anti semitism associated with them?

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Genuine question, not being goady.

I’ve always voted labour and would hate for tories to be re elected tomorrow. But the casual normalisation of anti Semitism scares me. I don’t want to vote someone into power who isn’t prepared to stand up for all ethnic minorities.

A lot of my left wing friends/colleagues seem to not see it as an issue, or think that as there’s more problems with racism from conservatives they are the less worse option.

U: labour supporter still voting labour
NU: labour supporter choosing alternative party

Thank you for all for the replies, I’ll definitely look up some of Michael Rosen’s articles

To be clear, yes I and pretty much everyone else agrees BJ is consistent racist, misogynist and homophobe. Voting Conservative isn’t option.

BUT what I find really insidious is that Corbyn seems to be passionate about standing up for all minorities except the Jewish community. To me it seems worse by comparison IYSWIM

I’m lucky enough to be somewhere with a labour/lib dem majority so I don’t feel like I have to vote JC to unseat tories

I see it the same way as I see the anti-Muslim bias in the Conservative party.

It's unfortunate but like many countries, we have a long history of antisemitism. Most people don't think like this at all but as soon as groups formalise they seem to generate a mistrust of someone.

I don't believe the party is anti-Semitic and nor is Corbyn.

Corbyn is critical of Israel their policies and their appalling treatment of the Palestinians which does not make him anti-Semitic.

The chief rabbi is, I believe, a conservative and friend of Johnson so he is clearly going to come out in support of them.

I feel really uncomfortable about this because I'm not Jewish so who am I to decide on what is anti-semitism but actually the Jewish community are hugely divided on this issue also and many are angry at this issue being exploited to attack Jeremy Corbyn and the wider party.

This issue has been hugely manipulated by the tories and the media when policies which are killing people and putting many at risk are apparently ok.

I do think Labour have handled this issue badly and dragged their heels in dealing with issues in the party but that's not the same thing.

Jo Swinson has told us exactly how highly (or not) she regards women. I could never vote for a party whose leader has no grasp of keeping women safe. She can't even bring herself to say she agrees with the premise of biological sex FFS. There has never been such a desperate selection of leaders to choose between.

I’m lucky enough to be somewhere with a labour/lib dem majority so I don’t feel like I have to vote JC to unseat tories
To be clear, do you means that Labour and LDs are always 1st and 2nd in elections in your consistency, with the Torries a distant third?

Not saying that there is no anti-Semitism in Labour, but I am concerned that anti-Zionism is being branded as such.

As are many PP I'm dlfar more concerned at the overt, casual racism and misogyny in the the other grubby lot.

Every time I put a Labour leaflet through a door, I think of Boris Johnson calling women letterboxes.

Vote Labour.

Have a read of this, they've gone through Corbyn's Hansard records:

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/fifty-times-jeremy-corbyn-stood-with-jewish-people/

I'm not. Couldn't, wouldn't vote for a racist which is what Corbyn unequivocally is, not to mention the anti-woman attack. Labour's manifesto isn't any better for those on welfare than what the Tories are doing when you look at the actual figures so there isn't really that excuse either. I'm sick of hearing 'but BJ' because a) I wouldn't ever vote Tory anyway b) he's no worse a racist than Corbyn and c) if Labour are repelling people like me who expect better that's their fault. Votes are earned. Labour is not entitled to them.

All the anti-semitic abuse I've had aimed at me has been from right wingers, mostly 4chan types.

I agree with the previous poster who raised the issue of Palestine. The true facts about how the Palestinians are treated is shocking. We should all stand with them.

UK politics needs a big kick up the backside now.

Where has Brexit gone? Oh sorry it is all about so called Anti Semitism now, even though the Tories have form for so called anti Islam also, to a much lesser degree though AFAIS. Might be the press though ruling the roost.

OK, what about policies, what about anything. It is all a load of cobblers now.

FPTP is the bogey. Really it is. Change that, and we might just see a different landscape regarding politics. But why would Turkeys vote for Christmas and all that.

Doesn't matter about the electorate and THEIR votes though. All for the two party system.

Something rotten about this IMV. Get back to me if you think otherwise.

@Rainbowhairdontcare, sorry I should have said he’s very pro current Israeli government, rather than pro Israel. And I totally agree that JC should have apologised. He hasn’t helped the matter and I do happen to think he’s been a bit weak in general including on this issue. He’s not the man in charge I would chose, but a Boris government is just about my worst nightmare.

I think of what one of my mates says - he went to a very highly rated private school with a number who went on to become Tory politicians - which was that the swastikas festooning his desk/locker at every opportunity, the Jew Boy nickname and all the usual shit came from them, not the kids on scholarships or whose parents were Labour politicians.

Mind you, we encountered similar (if not the same, going by the age we were) boys when there was a Scumbags High School vs Naice Boys rugby match. They made a huge thing about there being (and I am directly quoting here) 'A bloody negro on the team'.

They were most annoyed to lose to Scumbags. But I'm sure that their injuries healed in time, even though the attitudes wouldn't have improved - they just got better at deflecting attention away from their abysmal behaviour.

As previous posters have stated, I don't think Jeremy is anti semetic necessarily, but anti Zionism. There is a big difference.
You can be against the policies of Israel and support the Palestinian people who have been treated appallingly without being anti Semetic.

I’m Jewish and a Labour supporter. I honestly haven’t seen anything that I would classify as ‘anti-Semitism’. I’ve seen criticism of Israel but not a whole lot different from my own criticisms of Israel.

There is a very tight tie between far right xenophobic (sometimes Christian, like the scary kind) nationalists and the right wing Orthodox Jewish pro-Israel groups. You see it a lot in the US, but the connections are here too, if subtle. I think that’s where a lot of this rhetoric comes from. I’ve been called a traitor and an anti-Semite by other Jews for voting progressively and not for pro-Israeli parties (i.e. Trump, I am a dual US citizen). I think that’s where a lot of this comes from. There are lots of anti-Semitic Tories (I know some) and they are also Islamophobic and generally distrust anyone who isn’t white British.

So it’s not an issue for me. I am quite happy to vote for a party that I think broadly echoes my own values. We’re also high ish earners, and still Labour supporters. I’m happy to contribute more of what I earn to what I think is important social spending.

Rumours of antisemitism are just that, there isn't any proof. It isn't stopping me voting labour. I would be more worried about all the things Boris Johnson has said about working class & single mothers.

Without googling, would you be able to give names, dates and examples of antisemitism in the labour party and all the incidences of JC's antisemitism? I'm not saying it never happens. I just think lots of people absorb and accept headlines without really doing any of their own research or fact checking or any reading around the subject. I bet half the people who wave "Corbyn is a racist" placards have no actual facts to hand other than newspaper headlines.

I'm with Michael Rosen on this. He's an intelligent, funny and compassionate man and is voti g Labour. He's Jewish and sees the campaign about antisemitism in the Labour party for what it is, a slur. The Tories are far more racist and Boris Johnson himself has written a novel that contain hugely antisemitic tropes and it has been ignored by the media. BJ has also edited the Spectator with openly antisemitic articles by Taki. Nobody seems to care.