AIBU to ask you to read this before you vote

[12goldstars]

I keep hearing people say that they will be worse off if they vote labour. Unless you’re very wealthy it’s simply not the case. This is just an example of what’s happening.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

YES YABVVU

YANBU

Too late. Already sent in my postal vote.

Some of us don't vote based upon whether we will be financially better off ourselves.

Thanks for the read. Maybe I am jaded but the fact that the tories, the Scum and the Daily fail are colluding in propogating a lie about Jeremy Corbyn doesn't surprise me a bit.

Sorry the link won’t work. I’m not a bot. I’m a regular poster who is genuinely concerned.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

Should be a clicky link.

YANBU in the slightest, but Tory voters do not give a tiny shite. They want to protect themselves and fuck everyone else. You can’t use emotions or reasoning with a Tory, far too much for them to comprehend.

Thanks Mustard

YANBU.

Austerity has been terrible for our economy. It is a political choice to punish the poor. Other countries have far higher public spending than ours.

I will be worse off as a pensioner whose pension is less than 12,500 so I can transfer some of my tax free allowance to DH so our income will drop but £250 which will not be made up by money for childcare or other things that have been offered.

many people will be worse off not only re the married person's allowances but also in the devaluation of their pension pots and all the freebees that have to be payed for some how.

Could someone please make the link clicky? My tablet struggles to highlight text.

many people will be worse off not only re the married person's allowances but also in the devaluation of their pension pots and all the freebees that have to be payed for some how.

And the fact the the people with real money will have fled!

Yawn

Define "wealthy"? Because we are not, but according to some of the calculators that have been published, we'd pay several thousands more in tax every year. I'm actually a Labour supporter, but that would be a bit of a shock to the system...

We live in London where everything is more expensive, and no we can't just uproot our lives and move to sodding Leeds or something.

I'm quite happy about the married person's tax allowance being abolished. The proportion of cohabiting couples who are not married rises every year. Why should we be treated differently to couples who happen to be married?

I am not voting for my own personal finances. Voted Labour till the grand old age of 50 and voted Conservative for the first time last election. It went against everything I have ever believed in. Now that first vote is out of the way the second time is a hell of a lot easier and I now
know it is 100% the right thing to do, infact I don't know why I didn't make the leap sooner. I say this as a grandaughter/daughter of miners. It is not something I do lightly but without doubt I am certain it is the right thing to do.

Absolutely no dither from me. Voting Conservative to get us as far away from Corbyn as possible. Say what you like - I've made my mind up and I ain't changing it.

@PapayaCoconut you will not pay any more tax or national insurance if you earn 80k or less. If you earn more then you will pay a small amount more. This only affects 5% of people though and it is a small amount. For example someone earning 81k will only pay an extra £4.17 a month. This is a small price to pay-private medical insurance will be a lot more expensive if the conservatives destroy the NHS.

12goldstars The problem is, you are raising the tax for the wealthy to pay for an NHS that they will barely use (as they have private medical insurance) and schools they will barely use (as they will send their children to private schools).
They will be funding other peoples lives.
Where is the incentive for them to vote for that?

@goldstars

I'm not going to tell you my household income here but DH has worked his way up to a very good 6 figure salary. (I don't earn much.) One source I looked at came up with around £5000 more per year for us in taxes.

We live in London, only recently got on the housing ladder and have a perfectly normal terraced house, which cost us 600k. No fancy holidays, no private school. Just financial security for the first time in our lives. We lived in a rented flat until very recently.

It's not fair to compare us with a bloody billionaire.

@PapayaCoconut I’m sorry if I offended you. I wasn’t comparing you to a billionaire. I am in a similar situation. I also live in London and we will also be slightly worse off through taxes. We risk being a lot worse off through Johnson’s Brexit deal and I can’t ever vote for a party that has caused such misery through its austerity policies.

YANBU - Thanks for the link, although I'd say most people have made their minds up by now.

The incentive for better off people to vote more altuistically is maybe a desire to help others less better off and also a knowledge that life isn't always predictable - any one of us can face job losses, rising inflation, ill health and unexpected change that means our comfortable lives are threatened.

12goldstars
Sorry - that is a lie. If you are married - no matter how much you earn - you will pay an additional £250 in tax per year. Not interested in the rights and wrongs of it - but that is the fact.

Yep. Piss off. I'll vote how I want to and being 'less well off' is number 1764 on my list of reasons not to vote Labour.