AIBU to ask you to read this before you vote

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I keep hearing people say that they will be worse off if they vote labour. Unless you’re very wealthy it’s simply not the case. This is just an example of what’s happening.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

Vote conservative if you want freedom, personal choices, the right to spend your money as you choose, to stop nationalisations, to protect the economy, to ensure the economiy is run well enough to ensure the NHS and other state services can continue to be provided (something Labour will put in jeopardy|), to preserve our current gender laws (Labour will allow self declaration of gender).

Vote Conserative because it makes sense. Keep Corbyn out.

I'll happily pay £250 more a year to help those that need it. And I'm classed as the 'working poor' Its a moral vote as far as I'm concerned

@LochJessMonster while it is true that more wealthy use the NHS and state education system less I don’t think this is always the case and I also think they have a responsibility to contribute. They might not use state education but that system will be educating the doctors, nurses, police officers, firefighters etc of the future. I am not disabled but I have no problem paying taxes so disabled and vulnerable people can live. It’s about society as a whole.

@ajandjjmum
Sorry - that is a lie. If you are married - no matter how much you earn - you will pay an additional £250 in tax per year. Not interested in the rights and wrongs of it - but that is the fact.

Are you talking about the married persons tax allowance? Because you can only benefit from that now if one of you earns less than the personal allowance (less than £12,500 a year) - so not, as you state, "no matter how much you earn".

I can't think of anything that will mean all married people will pay an extra £250 a year??

So that is not a fact.

Regardless of your voting intentions, I find it scary how many misunderstandings are touted as facts on these threads.

You are being very unreasonable. You don’t have to be very wealthy to pay a lot more under Jeremy Corbyn’s proposal.

They make it out as if it will only be billionaires and Amazon and Google who will pay more, and it won’t affect normal real people. It will.

Like people who make a decision to send their children to private school. These people are already paying a lot of tax. A lot. Not all or even most of these people are so wealthy that the fees are inconsequential to them. If you have 2 children in private school, you’re already paying a lot in fees, but just because Jeremy Corbyn disapproves, you suddenly need to find another £5000+ a year for the VAT. Lots of people who manage to pay now will not be able to.

Where will Labour find the extra school places for for all the children who will have to go into the already overcrowded state system?

renationalising will cause big losses in all private pension schemes, so if you vote for that policy, don't whinge when your pension plummets.

I'm not, although I'm voting for an income tax increase and abolition of the CGT allowance, both of which will hit me. But my conscience will be clear in that I'm prepared to pay for what we need. (not happy about all the policies of the party concerned but they are the least worst for me)

most are not prepared to pay which is why we are in this mess.

I don’t vote based on what I will personally gain myself individually

I'm voting Labour.

OP, some people dont care about systemic lying in politics. Some people need the lies because they can use them to justify voting for damaging parties with damaging policies. It doesnt matter how many times their party has been proven to be a liar, they simply stick their fingers in their ears and repeat the lie quoting whatever lying media source. This allows them to act all wide eyed and innocent after the election, despite the fact they knew about the lies and the lying liars who told them, at the time.

@DioneTheDiabolist and some of us know it's Labour who started selling off the NHS to America and that 'for the many' only works if the 'few' will fund the tiny little bit that isn't borrowed from countries that we'll then be indebted to for the rest of ours and our grandchildren's lifetimes.

Did anyone see the last leg election episode?

Jeremy Corbyn lies all the time. I’m fed up with hearing that lying is a Tory thing.

Is this the same labour who paid for Adverts on Twitter on Facebook to advertise the story of the boy who had no bed on NHS and it turned out to be a lie confirmed by the hospital and nurses whom where dealing with the boy? Does that not show you how desperate and childish they're.

The whole brexit deal took 3 years because labour kept voting everything down in parliament. why did they do that? well because it's their job to make it hard for conservatives or any other party to do their fucking job otherwise they'd be no point for political parties if everyone agreed first hand. They're using the brexit commotion to get into power and they're frankly not fit to lead anyone. You have to be naive to vote for labour.

Why should we be treated differently to couples who happen to be married?

No one happens to be married. They make a choice to have their relationshop recognised in law.

Unmarried couples (like me and dp) have chose not to.

@Monday55 where has it been said it’s a lie? Source please!

Because Leeds General infirmary confirmed it happened.

Jesus @Monday55 believing lies like this is exactly the problems. The story about the little boy is true. The hospital has verified it and apologised, and the lady that posted that it wasn’t claims her account was hacked. She actually has links to the health secretary so it could be even murkier than it first appears.

Because Leeds General infirmary confirmed it happened.

Can you linked this?
It my nearest hospitals and friends who work in the NHS there were dubious.

Sorry they were dubious when it first came our. Havent talked to them about it since

YABU
And you can't even do a clicky link
You are probably well meaning but totally incompetent. Like Corbyn.

Labour for the last three years: If you don't agree with us, fuck off and join the Tories!

Labour for the last three weeks: Why won't you vote for us??

I voted Labour all my adult life until 2016. Never voted Tory, never will. But I'm not voting for Labour now, either. However, it doesn't matter one jot what I vote in my safe Labour constituency thanks to our broken political system anyway.

I'm sick of it all. I'm especially sick of being told how to vote without anyone listening to my views.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/10/woman-says-account-hacked-to-post-fake-story-about-hospital-boy

Corbyn is probably quite a nice old man. But he is stuck in the 1970s and he still admires the bunch in charge in Venezuela.

He has absolutely no interest in business and he simply does not care if his nationalisation plans and corporation tax hikes cause a lack of investment / business failures / tanking UK economy.

How can anyone think any family could be better off with someone like him in charge?

Monday55, the boy on the hospital floor wasn't a hoax or a set up. It happened. However the "it was a set up" has been shown to be a lie with the woman who apparently leaking the story claiming to have been hacked.

But the lie has served its purpose and later those who chose to believe it will do the wide eyed innocent thing I mentioned up thread.

@DioneTheDiabolist I'm pretty certain that woman lied rather than being hacked and underestimated how much of a negative reaction she'd get, and so has since panicked and blamed it on a 'hacker'

My post was to highlight the lies told about labour in the media. Monday55 has quite successfully backed this up by again repeating garbage without checking facts