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I keep hearing people say that they will be worse off if they vote labour. Unless you’re very wealthy it’s simply not the case. This is just an example of what’s happening.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

My point DioneTheDiabolist was that a meeting with the IRA was pretty much all he'd organised - although I was of course being facetious. Boris actually ran London pretty successfully.

Virgin trains admitted that there were no seats 4 months after the incident

I disagree - I looked at this yesterday on another tread;

At the time, Jeremy Corbyn said he was looking for "two seats together" to sit next to his wife - presumably they could have sat separately? He also had 'his team' with him and he turned down an upgrade to first class. Several passengers sitting on the floor may belong to JC's team.

The Independent produced a timeline with the new footage:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jeremy-corbyn-virgin-trains-row-traingate-timeline-what-happened-labour-leadership-election-a7206936.html

11 August, 11:00am: Train leaves King’s Cross in London.
11:10am: CCTV captures Jeremy Corbyn walking past unreserved empty seats in carriage H.
11:11am: One minute later, footage shows Mr Corybn walking past empty but reserved seats in carriage F.
11:30am: Mr Corbyn takes a seat on the floor to record footage for a documentary.
11:46am: Mr Corbyn is then captured on CCTV returning to carriage H and taking a seat.
12:50am: The train arrives at York, its first stop.

• which means that JC and his team were seated before anyone got off the train.

Virgin Trains point out that reserved seats can be used by passengers if they are not taken - there is a sign above the seat indicating at which stop the seat is required. This is correct - I have travelled on Virgin trains myself.

Yanbu. I will be voting Labour

Vote Boris!

Totally with you OP.

@Clavinova the article you’ve linked to was written a week after the incident so shows the timeline with the false footage. The article I linked to was written nearly a year later - I got it wrong it took Virgin 7 months to release the actual cctv showing Corbyn wasn’t lying and for Richard Branson to apologise. He did get a seat but it was 42 minutes into the journey after they were vacated by people getting off the train.
I should say I don’t even like Corbyn and can’t wait for him to step down, I’m just horrified by all the misinformation being spread as fact and only the lies being remembered.
Case in point - an independent review has found that 82% of the tories ads are based on lies, 0% of labours are yet headlines I’ve seen say that ALL political adds are misleading and not to be taken as true.

many people will be worse off not only re the married person's allowances

See, we get this married tax allowance, and even though it's nice to get (and we're nowhere near rich!) if it went we'd deal with it.
There's lots more worse off and they deserve a chance too imo

Oh and forgot to add YANBU and I'll be voting Labour

But he was offered first class seats and turned them down to sit on the floor, in a political move to show he is “one of us”. Most of us would’ve jumped at the first class seats!

10 years of Tories

This is what you’re voting for with a Tory Vote

Whereas a vote for anyone else will give us fields of unicorns and money trees.

I’d rather have unicorns and money trees (is that like the one May used to fund the political wing of known terrorists?) than starving children and dying homeless, poor and disabled.

The money trees paid for the confidence and supply arrangement as well as the get ready for brexit on 31 Oct propaganda

I truly don't get the criticism of preparing for Brexit on 31/10. What should the Govt. have done - just sit on their hands? It was a situation that could have become real, and they had to have things in place. Not propaganda - readiness.

monstermunchforlunch
The timeline is correct - the dispute is whether there were any seats available. No one got off the train - the first stop was York. One family was moved to first class after JC turned down the offer of an upgrade. At the time, JC said he was looking for two seats together. You can sit in reserved seats until they are needed.

it took Virgin 7 months to release the actual cctv showing Corbyn wasn’t lying and for Richard Branson to apologise.

Your link doesn't say that Richard Branson apologised - I don't think he did. From your link;

"The video above is now going viral and columnist Owen Jones demanded Virgin magnate Richard Branson who owns owns Virgin Trains East Coast together with Stagecoach apologise."

August 2017 (a year later) New Statesman:
"the exact details of the journey became hotly disputed. Had Corbyn been looking merely for a seat for himself–the initial claim–or for his wife too, or for his whole team? On 23 August, the Corbyn team told reporters that it was "nonsense" to suggest that he wanted to sit with his wife. Corbyn himself told another set of reporters this was the case the day after."

"This is not, in fact, all never-seen-before footage wrenched unwillingly from Virgin Trains. In fact, the key clip (along with other CCTV footage) was made available to news organisations at the time by Virgin. It was broadcast on TV and it was, and is, viewable on websites such as the BBC."

"The Double Down footage does not mention this. It also refers to “other images leaked to the press” by Richard Branson. These were in fact put in a press release on Virgin’s website–hardly leaking."

"Some of the footage in the Double Down News video does appear to be new, and provides extra weight to Corbyn’s claim the train was incredibly busy, something neither side has denied."

"one thing the video doesn't reveal, and which isn't publicised on Double Down's YouTube channel or its Facebook page, is who is behind Double Down. Companies House documents reveal that one of Double Down's directors is Yannis Mendez, the video maker who was being paid by Corbyn's team to film footage on the train, and who pitched the Guardian the article."

"Mendez insisted that his friend, Anthony Casey, be given a joint byline under a pseudonym...a paid partisan activist operating as a journalist, without his affiliation being made clear to readers."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2017/08/did-mainstream-media-smear-jeremy-corbyn-over-traingate

Case in point - an independent review has found that 82% of the tories ads are based on lies, 0% of labours are

I shall be looking forward to my cheque for £6,700 if Labour win the election.

Tory voters have the ‘I’m alright Jack mentality’, an attitude unfortunately that sums up this country, it’s very depressing and unlikely to change

That's it user - throw in a few more insults. Really makes us want to change our minds.

Tory voters have the ‘I’m alright Jack mentality’

I suspect that the vast majority of people (regardless of political alliance) vote for the party that best represents the interests of themselves and their families.

I can't imagine that many people don't consider the implications of policies to society as a whole but I'm not ashamed of making my family's interests a significant factor in deciding who to vote for.

UK debt could soar to a 50-year high if Britain crashes out of the EU without a withdrawal agreement, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has warned.
Not to mention the millions the tories have already spaffed up the wall with their shit show. Let’s not forget it was the Tories that instigated this mess in the first place.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theweek.co.uk/93785/how-much-money-has-brexit-cost-the-uk%3famp

And to @ajandjmum, it’s not untrue though. The mindset of the Conservative and Unionist elite has always been I’m alright, fuck anyone else. Boris has stated what he thinks of working class (and most other people) Jacob thinks the people are stupid, other Tories think disabled people should earn less, the list goes on, with nothing but contempt.

But as you are an elite(let’s face it, they don’t offer anything to the us mere commoners) you’ll be fine when the shit really hits x

@DioneTheDiabolist my issue is with you making outlandish claims without even attempting to back them up.

Will people please stop spouting on that Labour are for the people!
They have ruined the NHS in Wales, absolutely ruined it. I have had several family members die in horrific circumstances because of the mishandling of funds. They can try to blame the Tories BUT Labour has happily sat in the Welsh assembly growing fat off their free prescription offer ... Yep sell out our NHS and give everyone happy pills thanks Labour.
All of my relatives including my father were all miners and HATE labour and the evil pacts they made with the unions.
My father heard some elderly ppl at a bus stop exclaim 'that evil Boris is going to take our bus passes away, so Corbyn says'...young and old can be equally ignorant and stupid.
I'm voting from past and current experience and I definitely will not be putting an X next to Labour.
I left my Welsh ward that was Labour through and through, the Labour MP there was a corrupt Div, only to move to Yorkshire and find out that John Prescott makes sure corruption continues along with his o so wonderful son and making sure the village his mother lives in gets priority. Thankfully I live in a Conservative ward!
Corbyn is a pie in the sky crazed communist who only got the job because no one else wanted it.
The Valleys have a bit of European money thrown back at it and yet it still is so far behind its atrocious. I'm sick to death of hearing Kinnock on the radio talking of Labour glory when my father and a good few of his mining friends would love to string him up, unfortunately most of them are dead.

For God sake let people vote the way THEY want, based on the experiences they have had in their own lives.

pootroll
In your opinion - which counts as nothing to me.

More than happy to engage and learn from decent people, even if we disagree. Flinging insults says more about you than anything else.