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12goldstars · 10/12/2019 13:01

I keep hearing people say that they will be worse off if they vote labour. Unless you’re very wealthy it’s simply not the case. This is just an example of what’s happening.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

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BaolFan · 11/12/2019 11:15

Those earning over £80K p.a. have an incentive to pay extra tax to fund schools, hospitals, fire stations and so on. A well educated population benefits everyone, including business leaders, because it means a better standard of literary and numeracy within the workforce.

I hear a number of senior managers who regularly bemoan the fact that they cannot recruit good quality candidates, and that literacy skills are falling. Paying extra tax to fund a good quality state education system would solve this issue.

The very wealthy will continue to pay for private education and healthcare, but they still rely on the council to fix the roads upon which they drive. They don't operate their own police forces and fire brigades. Just because they don't use some of the state, doesn't mean they are completely removed from it as service users.

Ultimately there is something morally repugnant about a system where an adult can be in full time paid employment and still not have enough money to pay their basic living expenses. Firms like Walmart and Amazon are dependent upon the welfare state, because it enables them to keep their wages low and maximise profits for their shareholders.

AuntSpiker · 11/12/2019 11:15

Are you talking about the married persons tax allowance? Because you can only benefit from that now if one of you earns less than the personal allowance (less than £12,500 a year) - so not, as you state, "no matter how much you earn".

So if I understand correctly, it will affect couples where one person is currently a low earner. Have I got that right? Surely not.

Mistlewoeandwhine · 11/12/2019 11:18

Even if I pay a wee bit more tax I still benefit in other ways: more police, better education sysytem, happier people, healthier environment.
JC4PM 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹❤️❤️

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 11:19

Oh please stop blathering on about Venezuela @mixtap, it’s got literally nothing to do with the election.

Corbyn isn’t an ‘old man’. He’s the leader of a political party that is fighting against some of the most corrupt individuals to ever hold power. Don’t be so condescending.

DioneTheDiabolist · 11/12/2019 11:20

She may well have lied about being hacked GiveHerHellFromUs, but the boy on the hospital floor was real.

But it makes my point that given the choice, some will chose the lie/ pretend to believe it, even though they knew that it was a lie at the time. How anyone can trust a word that comes out of Boris Johnson's mouth is astonishing.

CherryBlossomPink · 11/12/2019 11:21

It seems to me with the state of the current government, the opposition should be miles ahead in the polls, yet the main reason people are giving for not voting for them is Jeremy Corbyn. If, as his fervent supporters have us believe, he is such a man of principles, why hadn’t he stood aside for a more electable leader so that his party can win?

BroomstickOfLove · 11/12/2019 11:22

@Monday55 here is the statement from the hospital:

www.leedsth.nhs.uk/about-us/news-and-media/2019/12/06/media-statement-childrens-emergency-department

bluebells1 · 11/12/2019 11:22

Oh a Guardian link. Won't be a hard left BS story at all then Hmm

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 11:24

www.ft.com/content/121eca30-1a97-11ea-9186-7348c2f183af

Financial Times right wing enough for you?

GiveHerHellFromUs · 11/12/2019 11:24

@DioneTheDiabolist I didn't argue the news story so stop with the Boris bashing.
Personally I think the fact Labour have got to use a story like that to win voters says a lot but hey ho.

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 11:26

Why shouldn’t they use it? It proves that a) the NHS is fucked, and b) Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a heartless cunt who shouldn’t be allowed to oversee someone making a cup of tea, let alone the country.

DioneTheDiabolist · 11/12/2019 11:27

It's not just a Guardian link, I've seen it in the Independant, on the BBC and seen the hospital statement. So why are people clinging to this lie?

bluebells1, why are you clinging to it?

Tennesseewhiskey · 11/12/2019 11:28

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DioneTheDiabolist · 11/12/2019 11:29

Saying that Boris Johnson is a liar isnt Boris bashing, it's a statement of fact GiveHerHellFromUs.

angemorange · 11/12/2019 11:29

Clinging to it as it was a Tory smear scam that got caught out very quickly.

Honestly, no matter what your voting intentions are should these dirty tricks and false information not worry us all?

MsRomanoff · 11/12/2019 11:30

Why shouldn’t they use it?

Because their plan to make it better is shit and unlikely to work.

So at the moment ita simply political point scoring and neither party will actually resolve this.

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 11:32

@Tennesseewhiskey but statistically the NHS was miles better than it is now. I will find the Office for National Statistics graphs for you to show the evidence.

I understand you experience poor care, but the majority of people didn’t. Whereas now a huge percentage of people do. Almost 5,500 people died in hospital corridors since 2016. Deaths that could have been prevented.

GiveHerHellFromUs · 11/12/2019 11:34

@MustardScreams the hospital statement literally says it's not a normal situation and they were unusually busy

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 11:36

But they didn’t say it was a lie did they?

pootroll · 11/12/2019 11:37

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/opinion/how-journalists-you-trust-yep-defeated-fake-news-and-our-commitment-fact-checked-journalism-yep-says-1337649

@Monday55 you are so wrong.

88% of Conservative and Unionist facts were found to be misleading by an independent fact checker.

But you vote for them, don’t worry about the millions of children in poverty or the state of the NHS or the poor and disabled dying, it’s ok as long as you are Biscuit

12goldstars · 11/12/2019 11:37

Of course they should use it. It highlights what a heartless bastard Johnson is. He refused to look at a picture of a sick child on a hospital floor. It says a lot about his character and priorities. I’m no huge Corbyn fan but at least he has compassion.

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GiveHerHellFromUs · 11/12/2019 11:40

@MustardScreams no and I haven't said they did.
What you're saying though is that the NHS is fucked which you simply can't conclude from one picture in unusual circumstances

GhostofFrankGrimes · 11/12/2019 11:42

YANBU

DinaCaliente · 11/12/2019 11:42

I had both my children when Labour when in power.

I was in for a week after a c-section in a private room, in one of two hospitals in my city, with my second. It was common practice to have a stay that long.

Now that second hospital is closed and there are houses being built on the site instead.

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 11:42

I don’t need to see the picture to know that? It’s common knowledge! Every dr and nurse that has spoken about the election has said time and time again how close to the edge the NHS is.