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I keep hearing people say that they will be worse off if they vote labour. Unless you’re very wealthy it’s simply not the case. This is just an example of what’s happening.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

Let's face it. No party gives a shit about the public.

Jeremy Corbyn does. I really believe that. But he's throwing regular high-earners under the bus by bunching them together with tax-evading corporations.

I worked out under the Tories I’m £2000 a year better off. Hardly life changing is it?
But free wifi for a family not earning much is an extra £300 a year in their pocket.

We'll see how the very rich fail if Jezza get into power - they will have no loyalty to him, as he has continually slated them for (somehow) not doing the right thing. What a state we are in, when success is deemed to mean failure.

Govt. funded wifi - we can see where that will lead.

God help our democracy!

I have no idea of the religion of the five billionaires who control most of UK media.
I think they're the Voldemort Denomination of Scientology.

Richard desmond is Jewish, if that helps. ;-)

Are you talking about the married persons tax allowance? Because you can only benefit from that now if one of you earns less than the personal allowance (less than £12,500 a year) - so not, as you state, "no matter how much you earn".

Not only does one of you have to earn less than £12500 a year (which I do) but the other must earn under £50000 (which DH doesn’t so we don’t get the marriage allowance OR child benefit).

@ajandjjmum these figures are incorrect. You will not pay that much tax on £80k salary. It’s just not true.

Actually...if you include NI then that really IS true!

According to the predictive calculators, although I still won’t pay any tax under a Labour government I WILL pay more in NI contributions... I don’t mind but they did say that the low paid would be better off... surely someone who doesn’t earn enough to pay tax counts as low paid....

I know they're right BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou - they were from the HMRC calculator.

Something I've been looking at for personal reasons, and I'm staggered just how much tax/NIC you pay on a decent salary. That's before we get to 20% VAT on luxury items such as biscuits etc!

I've voted Labour. To be honest most people on here have at least half a brain, so wouldn't believe the tabloids anyway. Anyone else on here voting Tory probably earns above 80k and are exploiting the system in some way. That isn't very many of us.

Hello to PapayaCoconut from “sodding Leeds”
This vote was literally a rock and a hard place. I wasn’t thrilled by either party - liars or racists, anyone?! I’ve voted, but I’m only slightly less depressed than I would’ve been had I voted the other way. Which doesn’t say much.

'Anyone else on here voting Tory probably earns above 80k and are exploiting the system in some way. That isn't very many of us.'

Or maybe they've used their brains and experience, and come to a different decision to you - and perhaps don't find the need to be unpleasant towards those who think differently?

I think you'll find just as many Labour voters exploiting the system as Tory.

I the resent the suggestino that if you earn over £80k you are exploiting the system. Instead those of us on high amounts pay muh much more in and are the food source in effect for most of those on benefits (along of course with other taxes paid usually high by high earners my £3600 council tax, lots of VAT, stamp duty, inheritance tax) - we are the hand that feeds. We are not the hand that evades tax. We are the magic money tree. If Corbyn gets in everyone can get much poorer and tjey will be happy as there will be an quality of poverty and the turkeys will have voted for Christmas.

Vote Conservative.

Anyone else on here voting Tory probably earns above 80k and are exploiting the system in some way You've no idea about solid Tory voting working class people then?

My grandparents generation, and so my parents, were pretty much split 50:50 until Thatcher united them all!

Something to do woth how they saw Churchill!

Lots of the poorest vote Tory all the time. Various media maps show that every election!

'Anyone else on here voting Tory probably earns above 80k and are exploiting the system in some way. That isn't very many of us.'

I actually don’t even earn enough to pay tax. DH is a higher earner but between us we are nowhere near the £80k figure. We both voted Conservative. NOT because we would be worse off financially under Labour (which we would be because of the NI increase) but because we don’t believe the country would be safe and financially viable with JC and his cabinet in charge.