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238 replies

12goldstars · 10/12/2019 13:01

I keep hearing people say that they will be worse off if they vote labour. Unless you’re very wealthy it’s simply not the case. This is just an example of what’s happening.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/10/break-embargo-expose-press-lies-labour

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Littletabbyocelot · 11/12/2019 12:40

@Tennesseewhiskey 2000 was three years into the last Labour government when the improvements were still being brought in (after 20 years of Conservative management). Waiting times fell dramatically under Labour including waits in A&E. There were still big things to improve but we're going backwards.

Spinderellacutituponetime · 11/12/2019 12:40

@ajandjjmum these figures are incorrect. You will not pay that much tax on £80k salary. It’s just not true.

BolloxtoGender · 11/12/2019 12:43

YABU

This is all part of the truths/untruths/opinions we hear and general political noise amongst the sea of information out there, it is not a deal breaker for me as to who I vote for.

Snowjive2 · 11/12/2019 12:43

12goldstars

We risk being a lot worse off through Johnson’s Brexit deal and I can’t ever vote for a party that has caused such misery through its austerity policies.

I couldn’t agree more.

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 12:44

I mean, Jeremy Corbyn has never had to hide in a fridge to avoid questions.

Thegrinch2019 · 11/12/2019 12:45

There a million reasons not to vote Labour and being individually worse off is very low down on the list. They will screw the economy so the promises of additional investment in the NHS, free broadband for all won't happen. Hopefully one day there will be decent opposition.

Tennesseewhiskey · 11/12/2019 12:47

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ajandjjmum · 11/12/2019 12:48

Spinderellacutituponetime

From the HMRC calculations -

On a salary of £80,000 -

Your estimated take-home pay for 2019 is

£54,937.64 a year

BaolFan · 11/12/2019 12:49

I'm not a paid-up Corbynista. The rise of factionalism and the hard left worries me. I am also gender critical and Labour's flip-flopping over sex-based protections infuriates me.

But when was the last time you saw Corbyn refuse to look at a photo of a child in hospital, and when challenged physically remove the journalist's phone? When was the last time you saw Corbyn hide in a fridge to avoid a challenging interview? Or refuse to go on one of the most well-respected political programmes alongside every other party leader?

Boris is the emperor's new clothes. He is living and breathing proof that an expensive education and 'posh' accent does not equate to intelligence. He is completely amoral and driven only by ambition - and will say and do anything to keep himself in power.

AuntSpiker · 11/12/2019 12:51

One thing I'm concerned about is if Corbyn gets in, the stock market will drop. That's a given. That is going to affect many of our pension funds surely?

MsRomanoff · 11/12/2019 12:52

BaolFan while I agree that Boris is an idiot, when have you ever seen Boris ait on the floor of a train pretending there were no seats when there were for political points?

The list goes on. Both of them lie and both of them fuck up.

ajandjjmum · 11/12/2019 12:54

What Boris is good at is choosing a strong team and empowering people. Which was why his overall time as London Mayor was judged to be successful on the whole. On the basis there is no such thing as perfect!

ajandjjmum · 11/12/2019 12:58

Which I suppose leads to the question 'What has JC ever run?' The odd meeting with the IRA?

Littletabbyocelot · 11/12/2019 13:02

I wish people would research economics before declaring the Labour manifesto will destroy the economy. I mean, the new deal was taught in GCSE history, the concept of government spending boosting the economy is fairly basic economics (I did it at degree level) and a quick Google will give you some good analysis by independent experts.

I've seen analysis that shows government borrowing would be worse under a hard Tory brexit than it would under Labour, evening out at around the 4 year mark then slightly higher for Labour. But with Labour there would be economic and societal gains from investment in infrastructure.

There are few people who are really secure enough to live without a quality welfare state. My dad was born into real wealth (servants, Eton, the works). Parental divorce and remarriage and early death, a major accident leaving him disabled, the death of my elder sister, the 80s housing crisis - my siblings and I grew up well below the poverty line - my mum and sister remain there. And no, a good household income in a big city with home ownership that no one helped us to doesn't feel like wealth. But I never worry about feeding, clothing, housing or even treating my kids (I worry a bit about how much I can help my wider family) and I remember just how lucky that makes me.

DioneTheDiabolist · 11/12/2019 13:03

You seem to have a problem with people saying Boris Johnson is a liar GiveHerHellFromUs, why is that?

monstermunchforlunch · 11/12/2019 13:05

@MsRomanoff Virgin trains admitted that there were no seats 4 months after the incident after originally lying once it was clear the actual cctv was due to come out.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/

As with the boy lying on coats story if you deny deny deny, spread misinformation and cast doubt people will cling onto that even when the truth eventually comes out.

DioneTheDiabolist · 11/12/2019 13:06

If you're going to discount politicians on the basis that they had The odd meeting with the IRA?, then youd have to get rid of a whole lot of UK politicians and the queen ajandjjmum. The peace in NI could not have come about if people in power did not meet terrorists.

Clavinova · 11/12/2019 13:06

When was the last time you saw Corbyn

Indeed, where is Jeremy Corbyn?

TheLittleBrownFox · 11/12/2019 13:07

@GiveHerHellFromUs thank you. I'm sorry for your loss too, and sorry for being snappy - it was 2 weeks ago so all a bit raw and I've been mainly avoiding politics until today Blush

crispysausagerolls · 11/12/2019 13:07

when have you ever seen Boris ait on the floor of a train pretending there were no seats when there were for political points?

I HAD COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN ABOUT THIS EPIC FAIL! 😂

Mollychristmas · 11/12/2019 13:11

*I am not voting for my own personal finances. Voted Labour till the grand old age of 50 and voted Conservative for the first time last election. It went against everything I have ever believed in. Now that first vote is out of the way the second time is a hell of a lot easier and I now
know it is 100% the right thing to do, infact I don't know why I didn't make the leap sooner. I say this as a grandaughter/daughter of miners. It is not something I do lightly but without doubt I am certain it is the right thing to do.

Absolutely no dither from me. Voting Conservative to get us as far away from Corbyn as possible. Say what you like - I've made my mind up and I ain't changing it.*

Then you should be ashamed.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 11/12/2019 13:11

crispy

According to a poster upthread Virgin trains admitted that there were no seats 4 months after the incident after originally lying once it was clear the actual cctv was due to come out

No idea how true either of the ‘facts’ are

Tessabelle74 · 11/12/2019 13:12

@berrylove
I don’t understand why people are seeing paying £5000 more in tax as such an issue if you’re already earning over £80k a year

Are you actually kidding? £80k is gross, on that you'll already be paying out £19,496 in tax and £5,564 in national insurance. So basically you think if you've worked hard in your career, clawed your way up the ladder and got a modicum of success /security your should pay double the national insurance you do now, is that a punishment for success? Are they going to cut benefits too because after all, if higher earners should pay more then surely those receiving those taxes should have to contribute more too?

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 13:13

@crispysausagerolls just going to repost this before you cry-laugh yourself into hysteria.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/virgin-release-traingate-footage-proves-corbyn-told-truth-traingate/23/08/

Thanks @monstermunchforlunch for posting the link!

MustardScreams · 11/12/2019 13:15

@Clavinova well this morning he was in Glasgow.