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VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 07:05

I posted in a thread after the Prince Andrew interview, and although I didn’t believe him about everything he said, I wasn’t wholly convinced at that time that he was lying about sleeping with young girls, about seeing things in Epstein’s houses that should have repelled him, about having sex with Virginia Roberts in particular. I just didn’t think there was certainty to be had.

I am convinced now. I believed every word she was allowed to say last night and I am only sad they didn’t give her more air time. Prince Andrew has very serious questions to answer.

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twosoups1972 · 03/12/2019 09:22

That black outline....what's that? And the way he's standing next to her at an angle doesn't look right. Just my opinion though.

SerendipityJane · 03/12/2019 09:22

Could @twosoups1972 please post upload the photo with the “line” circled for those of us with old, tired eyes?

I commented on t'other thread that it's harder to think of a more useless pastime than trying to bring expert forensic techniques to bear on a photograph that isn't the original. At a guess weaving sand might just qualify.

All we are seeing is a digital rendering of scanned photograph. Quite aside from any artefacts that may have been introduced in the process, the image may have been salted for copyright or provenance purposes.

Butchyrestingface · 03/12/2019 09:23

Black line on PA’s left side

Where???

🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

twosoups1972 · 03/12/2019 09:23

Sorry not very good at attaching photos @Butchyrestingface - google it and zoom in. My phone doesn't have a very good camera.

Butchyrestingface · 03/12/2019 09:24

I have googled and zoomed in @twosoups1972. Afraid I can’t see any black line.

Oy vey.

Gardai · 03/12/2019 09:24

I thought she tried to bring this to court many years ago and a New York judge closed the case. I believe she couldn’t fight the power and money involved, which is understandable.
Back in the day you didn’t get anywhere if you said a Prince shagged you and one of the richest circle of New York businessmen, socialites, models, actors etc were involved.

IWorkAtTheCheesecakeFactory · 03/12/2019 09:24

Comments like “she would be over it by now” “she’s got a vendetta” etc.

You’re making the mistake of wanting the perfect victim before you will believe her. You don’t have to be a well rounded individual to be a victim. You don’t even have to be a nice person. Some very messed up women and girls are raped and these stupid ideas that because she doesn’t present well means she is less believable are what is letting rapists never see the inside of a courtroom.

LaurieMarlow · 03/12/2019 09:24

Where is the original photo? If Andrew is so convinced it’s fake, why can’t he get experts to look at it?

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 09:24

It looks exactly right. Their faces are similar shades (indicating the same lighting conditions), his hands are a similar colour to his face, their physical stance looks completely natural and - if you look more closely - some of her hair is sitting on his shirt.

That photograph shows no signs of being tampered with to a casual observer. It might have been - I am not an expert - but it’s the same as hundreds of photos I have seen from that time.

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SerendipityJane · 03/12/2019 09:25

I have googled and zoomed in @twosoups1972. Afraid I can’t see any black line.

Well that's 30 seconds of your life you'll never see again Grin

twosoups1972 · 03/12/2019 09:25

Try this

VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her
LaurieMarlow · 03/12/2019 09:26

Actually, did Andrew come out and say the photo was faked in his interview? I don’t think he did.

twosoups1972 · 03/12/2019 09:26

You really can't see a black line next to his stomach??

Jodie77 · 03/12/2019 09:27

She doesn't come across well but I believe her.

I have never seen anybody so obviously lying as the PA interview though, they should use it for anybody working in a safeguarding role to show a perfect example of somebody trying to deny and lie about abuse.

Butchyrestingface · 03/12/2019 09:28

You really can't see a black line next to his stomach??

A “line” - nope. Sad

Butchyrestingface · 03/12/2019 09:29

Well that's 30 seconds of your life you'll never see again Grin

It were a lot longer than 30 seconds. 😫😭😳

Passthecherrycoke · 03/12/2019 09:29

Do people not realise this Is an international situation? “The police” can’t just go and arrest maxwell, or PA regardless of which country they’re in. They have absolutely no authority.

Gardai · 03/12/2019 09:29

Bear in mind (for you youngsters) this was the 90’s and photoshop wasn’t really that good, if it was even invented. Tampering was possible, but obvious.

twosoups1972 · 03/12/2019 09:30

Here:

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 09:31

Behind his stomach I can see his arm.

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Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 03/12/2019 09:31

I too watched both interviews....the very thing that stays with me is when PA said he spent a few days with JE to break off the relationship because he was an honerable man. Now forgive me but if I was breaking off a relationship with anyone and I was PA I would just drop them like a hot brick and move on with my life.Surrounded by the protection afforded to a senior royal no one on gods earth could have got to PA.They would have been blocked at every turn by the palace machine.All would have been well..there was no need for him to do what he did,even if he thought a meeting was the right way to go then a couple of hours should have done it or a quick personal phone call but no he turned it into a holiday. In my view he knew the shit was about to hit the fan and went there to try to get the stories straight.That in my eyes could be the only possible reason for the visit. I think by stepping down also so quickly from royal life too ..it all adds up for me. I know he said he had no recollection of meeting VG and he had never been upstairs in GM s house but the photo was taken upstairs and the FBI took it to be real and they are not daft. I keep thinking back to the Bill Clinton and Monica debarcale and when he said I did not have sex with that woman....err no Bill just a blow job. PA seems the same by what ever he is trying to hide it is more about what he is not saying.Everytime he opened his mouth on his interview he dug his hole a little deeper.The whole thing is just dreadful.The fact those girls were used as playthings makes me sick to my stomach. As scandals go this is gonna run and run and I am sure there is more to come.

Limensoda · 03/12/2019 09:32

I can't get over the fact that she looks very happy in the picture of her and Andrew

Maybe he hadn't abused her at that point?.... but regardless, I've had many a picture taken where I look happy when I was fucking miserable inside.

Butchyrestingface · 03/12/2019 09:32

Thank you, @twosoups1972! But no, I wouldn’t call that a line, just a shadow. Smile

LaurieMarlow · 03/12/2019 09:32

What you’ve circled looks like shadow or the black background behind them to me.

Again though, what’s the point of this fucking around? If it’s fake, why isn’t Andrew getting experts to examine the original?

Passthecherrycoke · 03/12/2019 09:32

“Isn't the reason the FBI involved because it crosses state lines, so is a Federal case ? Which means that for sex offences there is no statute of limitations ?”

Well it crosses countries but the FBI investigate crimes. They still have to be prosecuted somewhere, and those states often have statues of limitations