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VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her

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churchandstate · 03/12/2019 07:05

I posted in a thread after the Prince Andrew interview, and although I didn’t believe him about everything he said, I wasn’t wholly convinced at that time that he was lying about sleeping with young girls, about seeing things in Epstein’s houses that should have repelled him, about having sex with Virginia Roberts in particular. I just didn’t think there was certainty to be had.

I am convinced now. I believed every word she was allowed to say last night and I am only sad they didn’t give her more air time. Prince Andrew has very serious questions to answer.

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hambledon · 03/12/2019 22:54
  • Yambabe

Probably get deleted for this but my main issue about the whole PA.VR situation is that I am struggling with the idea of JE procuring young GIRLS for him.
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I can believe that he went to parties and nightclubs with them, as he would see having a young pretty female on his arm as a trophy to show off because he's a disgusting entitled buffoon. His vanity would make him want to be seen as "one of the boys" and his misogyny would mean he saw those girls as less than human, just items to be possessed. But actual sex? Not his style from the rumours that have been around for many years now.*

Yambabe I wonder about this too. I have heard these rumours many times over many years and heard his preferences were the reason for him and Fergie splitting up. I think there is more to this than had been revealed. The Miami Herald journalist has been working on the story meticulously for years. There's a great interview with her on the New Yorker podcast (interviewed by Alec Baldwin). She intimates that there are still things that haven't come out. JE and GM had something on PA.

Gardai · 03/12/2019 22:56

How do you know mummy2017 (shit name btw)
How do you know he didn’t force himself and what is force for a trafficked 17yr old by the way ?
Enlighten us.

Perisoire · 03/12/2019 22:57

Did anyone notice how Andrew kept referring to 'we' and 'us' e.g. 'we are trying to understand' etc. It seems to be a way to try and seem stronger? I remember Fergie doing something similar in a TV interview after the Sheikh scandal, where she kept referring to herself in the third person. Laughable twats the pair of them. Sickens me to think my taxes support them in anyway.

mummmy2017 · 03/12/2019 22:59

VR has given a few interviews, at no point has she mentioned rape or force by PA .
So no court would find him guilty on her evidence.

Gardai · 03/12/2019 23:00

The ‘we’ is sickening self propaganda.
It’s funny but now I see the attraction between PA and fergie, two of a kind.

Gardai · 03/12/2019 23:02

Semantics mummy2017. Time to stop being a PA apologist.

fikel · 03/12/2019 23:02

He showed a complete lack of remorse in his interview, he is a damn sight more then stupid. He is culpable by taking part in what was an underage sex ring. Girls were coming and going from Epstein’s property and let’s face it PA went back for more. He had a deep enough connection with this guy to visit him after his conviction!! This completely beggars belief and he truly has no defence

theWarOnPeace · 03/12/2019 23:03

Oh god ‘mummy’ you still don’t get it! She was trafficked, she was vulnerable, she was coerced, therefore it was rape and abuse.

Jesus Christ, you’re bloody dense.

theWarOnPeace · 03/12/2019 23:05

Gardai yes I’ve always thought that, Fergie and Andrew are a match made in narcissist heaven.

mummmy2017 · 03/12/2019 23:07

Well lets see if PA ends up in jail.

LaurieMarlow · 03/12/2019 23:08

While PA isn’t the sharpest tool, I’m beyond tired of the ‘well we know he’s stupid’ line of deflection that’s being hauled out.

No one’s that fucking stupid.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 03/12/2019 23:09

I think he did sleep with VR, but I don't think it ever entered his head she was not willing. I think he is stupid, entitled and ignorant

I think its both. I think he knew he was breaching the line of acceptability or at least keeping just barely within it. It was a bit of novel action.

I think he thought VR was a sex toy of E being gifted the opportunity by E to sleep with a prince and happy to go along with it. 'Positive' consent wasn't needed, she was smiley and just a fuck toy. Something to relieve himself on.

Who she was, why she was there, what her favourite colour was wasn't important for him to know.

Not a lady of class like his own daughters, plus he's a prince, and how many other girls coming from nothing can say they've been lucky enough to get their leg over with a prince?

Plus he said thank you after. He's always honourable and remembers his manners.

AhNowTed · 03/12/2019 23:14

@mummmy2017

I'll ask you again.

What do you think he was thinking when a young 17 year old (school aged) girl, in the company of much older people, is handed to him on a plate?

SlightlyBonkersQFA · 03/12/2019 23:18

@mummmy2017 do you think PA not going to prison means he's innocent! He won't even cooperate with the investigation.

Perisoire · 03/12/2019 23:20

The worst thing about his lie is that his alibi was he took his dd Bea to Pizza Express. He was abusing a 17yo girl while his own 13yo is kept safely protected. Sick fuck

Gardai · 03/12/2019 23:25

Plenty of paedos and rapists don’t go to prison and it most certainly doesn’t mean they are innocent...doh mummy2017

mummmy2017 · 03/12/2019 23:25

If VR evidence is solid, PA has no defence in court.

Gardai · 03/12/2019 23:31

And we all know how fair courts are for victims of sexual abuse, ah yes, so fair 🤨
Ah mummy, time to get out of your tree house and on to the earth.

theWarOnPeace · 03/12/2019 23:33

I love this Instagram account

VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her
mummmy2017 · 03/12/2019 23:34

So even thought you think legally there is not enough evidence to convict, you feel your knowledge is greater from several paid for interviews.
Innocent till proved guilty doesn't matter then?

Gardai · 03/12/2019 23:34

Oh god yes, they’ve a lot in common now !

RhinoskinhaveI · 03/12/2019 23:37

I can't see randy Andy behind bars... not unless we end up in some kind of pitchforks at dawn dystopian scenario😱😯😱

Gardai · 03/12/2019 23:37

Ok mummy, you crack on with your innocent until proven guilty theory.
Time to brush your hands 😶

BlackCatSleeping · 03/12/2019 23:39

She was under 18 and taken abroad for the purpose of having sex. That means she was trafficked. It is illegal to have sex with someone who was trafficked for sex. Saying PA is too stupid or vain to realize this won’t wash in federal court. But it will be extremely difficult for him to be brought to justice as he is unfortunately not stupid enough to go to the US and not stupid enough to talk to the FBI. I have to admit the sight of PA in an orange jumpsuit would be awesome though. It just won’t happen.

Gardai · 03/12/2019 23:39

He’ll never go to jail...but he could identify as a young female and go to prison and probably have a cracking time.

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