VG/Prince Andrew - to say I wasn’t sure before but I believe her

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I posted in a thread after the Prince Andrew interview, and although I didn’t believe him about everything he said, I wasn’t wholly convinced at that time that he was lying about sleeping with young girls, about seeing things in Epstein’s houses that should have repelled him, about having sex with Virginia Roberts in particular. I just didn’t think there was certainty to be had.

I am convinced now. I believed every word she was allowed to say last night and I am only sad they didn’t give her more air time. Prince Andrew has very serious questions to answer.

Your first post was horrifying and I reported it for victim blaming, and now you're saying it was "just straight sex".

She called VG “willing prostitute” in her first post.

It’s fucking frightening the stuff I’m reading on this thread.
It’s like an ill educated witch hunt.
I sincerely hope you or your daughters ever have to be on the receiving end of this vilification.

There are so many rape myths on this thread ('why was she smiling in the picture?' 'She's only continuing to talk about this because they were rich' 'surely her parents would have stopped her'). It's no wonder the vast majority of women never report their rapes when attitudes like this are common.

This thread is a depressing reminder of that women are some of the worst misogynists.

Where did she get the photo of her with Prince Andrew from?

I’m also thinking there is something not quite right here. I wonder if she is still being used as a pawn by someone very powerful to send a message, cooperate or we go public.

Why has she mentioned some names but not others?

The photo of PA was hers, Epstein took it with her camera

She lost me when she said PA went to the club's bar to get a round of drinks - when would that entitled oaf ever do anything like that when he could order someone else to do it?!

Midas are you in love with Prince Andrew or something? You sound bananas.

Why has she mentioned some names but not others?

Why would she be introduced to everyone? Presumably she met the people she was forced to have sex with.

So many apologists for rape on this thread.

People are so afraid that a woman may recover damages for the abuse she experienced. Is it a sick form of jealousy?

I wonder if she is still being used as a pawn by someone very powerful to send a message, cooperate or we go public.

I was thinking along those lines too.

Epstein was doing this for at least 20
Years. VG was only involved for a relatively short period of time

id love to know everything the FBI know. There is part of me that wonders if PA is a distraction from other big names that might be involved but he should face questioning and I found it abhorrent when Johnson said the monarchy was beyond reproach. I’d be amazed if he ever goes to the US again though which is telling in itself.

I don't disbelieve her but think it is highly likely that many people who graced Epstein's house parties at times were unaware that the young women at the houses were trafficked. It's the trafficking that is the big crime.

I couldn't care less about Prince Andrew but realistically it doesn't look as though he committed a crime.

Something I noted was that Virginia G was paid 160k (dollars) for her story.

I watched the program the same as you did.
I don't believe everything is black and white.
There are shades of grey.

Wouldn’t you take £160k @Bluerussian? I would!

So mummy2017 the things you alledge weren’t said on the programme, where did you get them from?

Something I noted was that Virginia G was paid 160k (dollars) for her story.

What’s your point?

Something I noted was that Virginia G was paid 160k (dollars) for her story.

Of course you did because that’s the most important part of the story.

Re the photo - he claims it may not be his hand around her waist. he didn't deny HER hand around his waist though.

He didn't break any law in the UK. That doesn't mean he isn't a creep but he should come out and put his hands up, he would come out of it a lot better if he admitted being a creep rather than was speculated about for being a nonce.

How long were PA and Epstein friends? How many other women did JE and GM introduce him to? Surely VG is just the tip of the iceberg?

I accept that Prince Andrew is a deeply unpleasant man, but would " millionaire procures call-girl for millionaire friend" really rate all this news-time if he wasn't a Prince? Mummy has shut him firmly in his box now, and big brother is likely to be harsher when he's in change.

What crime could PA possibly be charged with? Epstein is dead. Where is this going?

Was uncomfortable with VG using the word "trafficked", a word normally applied to girls from poor countries who are deceived as to why they coming to the UK, not to those arriving by private jet who know what their task is.

He didn't break any law in the UK.

Yes. He did.

Having sex with trafficking victims is an offence.

160k dollars in 2011 was about 95k Sterling.

Passthecherrycoke Tue 03-Dec-19 11:17:45
Wouldn’t you take £160k @Bluerussian? I would!
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I most certainly would at the drop of a hat! It would go a long way to healing any wounds too.

What I wouldn't like is everybody knowing my name and seeing my picture. If I could use a false name and disguise myself I'd cope. Wig, glasses and beard for me.

If my Child was jetsetting all over the world with a rich man, it would raise massive red flags.
Massage means bodily contact, your child has no qualifications to do this. Red flag.
There are so many shades of gray.

Was uncomfortable with VG using the word "trafficked", a word normally applied to girls from poor countries who are deceived as to why they coming to the UK, not to those arriving by private jet who know what their task is.

Riiight so if you’re trafficked on expensive transport it doesn’t count?

Btw 1. trafficking can be within a country - there’s quite a lot of trafficking within the US. And 2. You don’t have to not know you’re being trafficked to be trafficked.