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To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?

635 replies

ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 12:52

This one ->

www.itv.com/news/2019-11-27/jeremy-corbyn-says-uncensored-documents-show-nhs-is-part-of-toxic-post-brexit-trade-talks-with-us/

I had already decided to vote for the conservatives, mainly because I couldn't bring myself to vote for any of the others who seem hell bent on gleefully ripping up womens rights. I've always voted so abstaining/spoiling wasn't an option.

But after reading/watching the above I think I am going to switch to voting labour. We are a disabled family, and could never afford to pay for healthcare (and I doubt insurance would touch us with a barge pole).

I don't like Momentum/Corbyn really but I'd rather complain and fight for my right to a single sex ward than not be able to use one at all

Re: brexit I voted remain in the last referendum but to be honest just have fatigue about the whole thing, so I'm not basing my vote on any of that. (Though seems a second vote isn't that terrible an idea).

Just posting because I can't see anything on here about this yet and I've gone from feeling quietly confident that Conservatives would win to feeling nervous about it now. Anyone else?

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MalaRon · 27/11/2019 12:53

YANBU - vote within your conscience

CoolcoolcoolcoolcoolNoDoubt · 27/11/2019 12:56

YANBU. Nobody I know could manage without the NHS. I would prefer to see it remain free, rather than benefitting US drug companies. Hence I will be voting Labour who I believe won't let this happen. I don't trust the Tories to do the same. Simple as that.

Treaclepie19 · 27/11/2019 12:56

YANBU.

Justwantapeacefullife · 27/11/2019 12:56

Yanbu. The conservatives are dangerous for the NHS. I have an incurable autoimmune disease and if we were to move to a private healthcare system or anything close to it the future of my family and I would be up the creek.
The global forums for my condition that I am on show horror stories of high or impossible to obtain premiums and out of pocket expenses for prescriptions that make my eyes water.
I don't like corbyn either but the NHS is the most important issue of this election for me.

thefluffysideofgrey · 27/11/2019 12:57

The Tories will win. I think they'll get a solid majority.

I work in healthcare- not frontline; policy, DoH&S.

Anybody who is not very rich and has a health or social care needs would be mad to vote Tory. We ain't seen nothing yet, put it this way.

I'm signing my family up to private healthcare this week.

EleanorShellstrop100 · 27/11/2019 12:58

YANBU. Vote Labour if you value the NHS.

StormBaby · 27/11/2019 12:58

The NHS is undoubtedly the most important issue in this election. The Tories have been selling it off out the back door to their rich mates since at least 2013. I have lots of friends in the US and hear their horror stories all the time.

AntennaReborn · 27/11/2019 13:01

OP, I will be voting Labour too.

Fwiw though, I am confused as to why anyone would think the Tories have been any good for women's rights? Even T May's record is shocking

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/12/05/tory-policies-have-hit-women-hardest-it-s-no-wonder-they-are

riotlady · 27/11/2019 13:03

YANBU, the tories will destroy the nhs

saraclara · 27/11/2019 13:03

Yep. The NHS is my dealbreaker. I wouldn't vote Conservative anyway, but I'm absolutely terrified about what they'll do to it.

Snowjive2 · 27/11/2019 13:05

YANBU. For anyone who wants to keep and protect the NHS, the only objective in this election has to be to kick the current government out. Whether that means voting Lab, Lib Dem or SNP in your particular constituency doesn’t matter. Just, in the name of all that is holy, get rid of the evil liar currently squatting in no.10!

dreichthanksgiving · 27/11/2019 13:05

Everyone needs to look at the options and vote the way they feel most comfortable.
I don't think this election gives most people great options.

It is easy to get totally fed up with Brexit and just want it finished. But Brexit will last for years, trade deals take years to organize.

The USA has been clear in wants more involvement with the NHS. I currently live in the USA, medical costs are many times higher, drugs even with prescriptions on insurance often cost us hundreds of dollars.

Reforming the NHS might well be sensible but choosing to let Trump reform it looks like madness from the USA side of the pond.

ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 13:05

I've just had this conversation with Dp over the phone. Dp was also voting conservative because he is (well was) mainly concered about brexit as he voted Leave (no insults please, he had his reasons and we've managed to discuss it many times amicably).

He also sounds upset and close to changing his vote. Myself and my eldest dc are regularly at the GP/hospital and rely on the NHS.

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Babynut1 · 27/11/2019 13:05

YANBU

ArabellaDoreenFig · 27/11/2019 13:06

With regards to women’s rights the Tories are the only party who aren’t committed to reforming the GRA to enable men to self identify as women- ergo making women’s rights redundant.

To answer the OP you should vote for who you like for whatever reason you like. We live in a democracy and long many that continue.

Mishappening · 27/11/2019 13:07

The NHS might be the big issue; but none of the manifestos have anything useful to say on social care.

It is too much of a hot potato.

I am paying out a "top-up" of £950 per WEEK to keep my disabled OH in a nursing home. He has excellent care and the only way this can continue is for me to sell our home and downsize. Not something I relish doing at such a difficult time.

Venger · 27/11/2019 13:07

Not to worry, Johnson will no doubt be on TV later with a bumbling soundbite about ready meals and how the NHS is not up for discussion.

Mia1415 · 27/11/2019 13:08

YANBU.

Fullyhuman · 27/11/2019 13:09

Yanbu. The NHS is the single most important issue in this election & the US model some tories are choosing for personal profit is unspeakably awful.

We have no chronic conditions in our family atm but I don’t want to live in a country where my neighbours have to do a go fund me to get insulin for their kid or dialysis for their granny, and watch them die once charity runs out.

I share your concern about women’s rights and Momentum and hope to be able to protest vociferously to a Labour govt about these and all sorts of things.

ElusiveOrangeTwirl · 27/11/2019 13:09

I hope many more are feeling the way that you are today. Vote to save our NHS. Vote so you don't get charged for skin to skin contact after having a baby.

To change who I'm voting for based on one news story?
holly40 · 27/11/2019 13:09

I don't see how any family requiring lots of medical care could sensibly consider voting for the tories. I have previously voted labour but can't in this election. So I'm disappointed to maybe have to vote Lib Dem.

WatchingTheMoon · 27/11/2019 13:09

The reason the left gets nowhere is because we expect perfection on every issue.

I'd die before voting Tory and although I am very opposed to many of Labour's policies, they're still the most in line with what I believe.

BarbedBloom · 27/11/2019 13:09

YANBU. I have rheumatoid arthritis plus asthma. I and others could not afford to lose the NHS. If it an issue that is important to you, it is very sensible to consider who you vote for based on that.

My biggest issue is that this election is a Brexit one but there are so many other problems at the moment which are key like the NHS, climate etc. My long time Tory friend just messaged me to say she is changing her vote based on this same thing.

ShouldIStayOrShouldIRun · 27/11/2019 13:10

The Tories will win. I think they'll get a solid majority.

Yes and until a couple of hours ago I was expecting and hoping for this!

I chose them re: women's rights as the best out of a bad bunch. They seem to be back peddling on Self-ID and I had promising emails back from my conservative mp about my concerns. My Labour candidate essentially called me a bigot (I have suffered SA in the past and disclosed this is the email, to demonstrate why I could not have a biologically male examine me/present where I am vulnerable and naked.) Which is I wasn't going to vote for them.

I still am not happy with that candidate, but the idea of not being able to affird dd's medicine is more scary than having to fight to gain back rights to single sex spaces.

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AutumnRose1 · 27/11/2019 13:11

My late father didn’t vote because he thought they were all as bad as each other

He worked in the NHS for years and was proud of that

His theory was that any party who tried to get rid of it would be committing political suicide and therefore no one would.

I dunno.